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00:00:00 Mayor Stewart: She became Olive Macklin after her first marriage. During this time she served in the Noosa Shire Council in 1935-1944, with much distinction between 1934 and 1935. She married a second time, George Donaldson. She married a second time, Miss Donaldson was a foundation member of the Tewantin Noosa RSL, volunteered to serve on the WRAAF during the freedom to serve in the WRAAF, as well as other organisations such as Park and Harts Community Mission Centre, Laurel Ladies and the Country Women's Association Centre. We thank Miss Donaldson for her contribution to our community, and pass on our sincere contributions to her family and friends. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: It is an honour to acknowledge Olive's contribution to the community. So Olive has borne Olive Ross, and Ross has been one of the pioneers of the families of Tewantin, I believe, and may have the first European child born to the Ross family in Tewantin.
00:01:00 And she had a life commitment to her local area. I had the privilege of being on one of the councils that Olive served on, and interestingly we now have our portfolio committees. They started in 1988, and they started off with two councillors and one staff member. It was when things were much simpler, and everyone knew each other, and she'd be the person to go to to understand, what was happening in Tewantin. There is an Olive Court, Olive Street, in Noosa Outlook, and also a Ross Court. And that's because all the traditional families are acknowledged in that side of Noosa Outlook. So it has been a good life for Olive, and as was mentioned, she lived in Pointy Ardner Avenue, in the traditional home, and it was a, I suppose, a typical family home of her era. And it was one that she was always keen to protect, that aspect of Tewantin that was its heritage.
00:02:00 And I think it's a sad day that she's passing, but it is a life well lived. Mayor Stewart: Councillor Stokehold. Councillor Jurisbridge. Councillor Jurisevic: I have the very great privilege of getting to meet Olive Donaldson over the years, and my first place that I lived was in Noosa, was in Noosa Outlook, in Olive Court. So it's an amazing connection over the years. She was a lovely lady, wonderful to talk to, and I have the very great privilege of getting to know, not only Olive, but also all the other pioneers through the Pioneers Lunch. But I very greatly have the privilege to be invited to over the last few years. So it's great sense, and a great sense of yearning for, you know, the strength and the effort and the character of Olive that this community had for many, many years. The amount of time and dedication and devotion she gave to not only this community, but the many causes that she was a part of.
00:03:00 And it's with great sadness that I stand here today to say valet to the Duchess of Tewantin, a really great character. Thank you. Mayor Stewart: Thank you, Councillor Joe. Councillor Wilkie: Thank you, Madam Mayor. I don't know what else can be said except that she was kind-hearted, she was big-hearted, she was hard-working, and she was a huge personality, and she will be missed. Thank you. Councillor Lorentson: I have not met Olive, but I did attend the funeral, and on all accounts, and I need to reiterate this because they talked a lot about how she was an outstanding counsellor. She was strong, courageous, no-nonsense, and she got things done. And that was really inspiring, and it was wonderful listening to the many great stories. She definitely lived a great life, and, you know, her legacy will live on, and she has inspired me.
00:04:00 Councillor Finzel: Yeah, I'd like to just reiterate what everyone said. We've lost a champion in our community, but her legacy lives on, and we can build on what she's left behind, and we've got a straight path forward, launching ourselves for a firm foundation, and to show you what champions in our community can achieve when they show empathy, a good listening ear, and have a good understanding of their community. So, our condolences to all the family, but we, you know, acknowledge the great work that she did in our community. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Mayor Stewart: Alright, thank you. Oh, uh... Oh, hi. You told me you were on? Yeah. Right, thank you, everyone. I think it's been well said. She was loved, and she'll leave a big gap in our show now. Now, I will move that standing orders be resumed. Thank you, Councillor Wilkie.
00:05:00 All in favour? You know. Thank you. Can I have a mover for the confirmation of the minutes of the ordinary meeting held on the 21st of July 2020? Thank you, Councillor Pitbull. Seconded. Thank you, Councillor... Councillor Wilkie. Thank you, Councillor Wilkie. All in favour? You know. Thank you. There are no mayoral minutes. Does anyone have any petitions? No petitions. There are no notified motions. There are no presentations and no recommendations. That brings us to item eight on page four of the agenda, which is the consideration of committee reports. First, we have the planning and environment committee recommendations. These are on page four of our agenda. Municipal Council applying box statement of management intent. Item two, which will go to the general committee. Item three, MCU21-0027.01 and OPW21-0047.01 are the change for development approval for
00:06:00 multiple dwelling and operational works to include short-term accommodation for the local law at 30 and 32 James Street, Noosaville. Item four, planning and environment court appeal number 3296 of 2021. Application three, another change to development approval for multiple dwelling units and eight shops at 30 Hastings Street, Noosaheads. Item five, planning and environment court appeal number D97 of 2022. Application for short-stay letting under local law number one. Subordinate local law number one. Administration 2015 for unit one, 12 Stephens Street, Sunrise Beach. Item six was referred- Councillor Jurisevic: That's correct, Madam Mayor. Sunshine Beach or Sunrise Beach? Mayor Stewart: Sunrise Beach. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Driscoll. Item six was referred to the general committee. I have a- Sunshine. 12 Stephens Street, Sunshine Beach.
00:07:00 Sunshine. Sunshine Beach, yes. Item six was referred to the general committee. I have a- I have a conflict in this, but we will deal with that later in the agenda when it is raised. Thank you. Item seven, update to infrastructure charges resolution. Item eight, planning applications delegated by delegated authority, decided by delegated authority, June 2022. Councillor Rissvich? Councillor Wilkie: I don't remember that. I'll move to the- Oh. Oh, sorry. Jurisdiction next. I think- Councillor Jurisevic: Councillor Rissvich. Councillor Rissvich. Councillor Rissvich. Oh, thank you. Yes. I, Councillor Rissvich, declare that I have a declarable conflict of interest in this matter. The matter is a planning application for Noosa Heads Village at Park Ridge. Item 15, page 95 of the Planning Environment Committee Agenda, that is owned by Chris Wright and Kelly Bristow, as I understand it. My family and I have had a close relationship with Chris Wright and his family over the years, and we've lived in Tewantin. The nature of the relationship stems from my wife having worked with Chris's wife, Kelly,
00:08:00 and in the same office where Chris's business is located. Kelly was also a treasurer at Sunshine Beach State High School, Fancy, during my term as Deputy President. My wife and I attended Chris and Kelly's wedding, as well as several social gatherings at each other's houses over the years. Our children were close friends and attended the same playgroup at school. As a result of my conflict, I will now leave the meeting room while the matter is considered and voted upon. Mayor Stewart: Thank you, Councillor Rissvich. Councillor Rissvich. Councillor Rissvich. Councillor Rissvich. Councillor Wilkie: Councillor Rissvich. Councillor Rissvich. Councillor Rissvich. Mayor Stewart: Thank you, Councillor Stockwell. Thank you. Thank you very much. All in favour? That is unanimous. Thank you. Speaker 3: Thank you. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: The Chair moves to the next one. The Planning Environment Committee. Can you move it? Okay.
00:09:00 Mayor Stewart: Thank you, Councillor Chow. All right. Can I have a move and a second of the adoption of Planning and Environment Committee recommendations, except we're dealt with separately? Councillor Lorentson: I'm happy to move that. Okay. Thank you, Councillor Rissvich. I don't trust you. Mayor Stewart: Second. Thank you, Councillor Finzel. All in favour? I'm scared. Carriage. Councillor Chow, your hand up. All in favour? Councillor Carriage announced asleep. Thank you. Next are the Services and Organisation Committee Committee recommendations. These are on page 16 of the agenda. Item 1, T000061, Trail 5 Design and Construct Tender Award. Item 2, Tree Management on Public Land and Policy. Item 3, Councillor's Expenses Reimbursement and Provision of Facilities Policy. Item 4, Amendment of General Committee and Ordinary Meeting Dates, October 2022. Item 5, Capital Delivery, Capital Programme Delivery Status, 30 June 2022. Item 6, Noosa Holiday Parks Update Report, 30 June 2022.
00:10:00 So moved, Madam Chair. Thank you, Councillor Rissvich. Seconded. Thank you, Councillor Wegener. All in favour? Carriage announced asleep. Thanks, Carrie. On the next. They'll leave us. They'll leave us. Now to the General Committee recommendations. We'll start on page 18 of the agenda. Number 1, MCU22-0067, Application for Material Change of Use for Short-Term Accommodation at 401 Sunrise Road, Tingviwa. This is the subject of a further report direct to this ordinary meeting. So we'll deal with that later in the agenda. Item 2, Planning and Environment Court Appeal Number D100 of 2022, Enforcement Notice for Operation of Airstrip Without a Development Approval at Lake Weyba Drive, Noosaville. I, Councillor Stewart, in accordance with Chapter 5B of the Local Government Act 2009, I declare the following. I, Councillor Stewart, inform the meeting that I have a prescribed conflict of interest
00:11:00 in relation to this matter as Kirsty Mellor, the ex-wife of Mr Bob Leake, Director of Link and Link Surveys, Pty Ltd, the applicant, to add $5,000 on the 12th and 2nd 2020, $5,000 on the 6th and 3rd 2020, $1,900 on the 27th and 2nd 2020, and $1,900 on the 27th and 2nd 2020 to my 2020 election campaign. As a result of my conflict of interest, I will now leave the meeting room while the matter is considered and voted on. Thank you. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Can I just have a clarification? Sorry, is Mr Link an applicant since the matter is about not having an application, is he, or is he the landholder? Mayor Stewart: Thank you. Speaker 3: Through the Chair, Councillor Stockwell, you're actually correct that this is a matter before the Council in approving action to be taken on the landowner, but there is not an application as such from the landowner at this point in time. So, yeah, you are correct. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Just a correction of wording. Mayor Stewart: Thank you, Councillor Stockwell.
00:12:00 Thank you. I'll leave the room. That will change applicant to landowner. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Wilkie. Councillor Wilkie: Thank you, Madam Mayor. Councillor Jurisevic: I move that the Deputy Mayor not be heard. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Oh, sorry. No, no, no. Councillor Wilkie: Okay. Thank you. Do you have a motion before us? Deputy Mayor Stockwell: I have a motion, and it's that the Council note the report by the Manager Development Assessment to the Planning Environment Court meeting dated 9th of August regarding Planning Environment Court Appeal D100 of 2022, and agree to continue enforcement against Noosa Airfield to address the current breach of the Noosa Plan 2020 and Planning Act 2016, and refer all aircraft noise complaints to Air Services Australia. Councillor Wilkie: Do we have a seconder for that, please? I give a seconder. Seconder, Councillor Finzel. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: I do so. We debated the substantive matter on Monday quite well, and it was identified at that meeting that Air Services Australia is the authority for noise, and that is one of the
00:13:00 key concerns of our community, so I suggest that we take the action and make sure that Air Services Australia are aware of it, and take whatever compliance action they see fit. Councillor Wilkie: Any questions, Councillor? The councillors will speak to the motion. Councillor Stockwell. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Can't argue with what's been said. Councillor Wilkie: All right. All in favour? That is unanimous. That's carried. And Councillor Stewart will go back into the meeting, please. Thank you. Mayor Stewart: We are up to page 19 in the general committee recommendations. Thank you. Number one, NCU 22 slash 0038, application for a material change of use, commercial business
00:14:00 type one, office and commercial business type two, medical at 28 Eney Creek Road, Noosaville. Councillor Jurisevic: Madam Chair, I would like to move the staff recommendation with some additional clauses. Mayor Stewart: Thank you, Councillor Rithwitch. Councillor Jurisevic: And I'll just refer to those additional clauses with regard to car parking. Thank you. Point 40, condition 40, provision of amended plans incorporating the Tendham car parking arrangement together with the SRV and Ambulance Bay Shamall plans SK01, 02, 03 prepared by SLR and dated 13th and 7th 22 with the wheel stop deleted from the Ambulance Bay and the ground level parking team modified for compatibility with the provision of that modified service vehicle arrangement and as amended by the conditions of this approval. 41. As well as 42, as well as changed to 43 or provision of 10 car parking spot, sorry, 49.
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00:15:00 Deputy Mayor Stockwell: 104. Councillor Jurisevic: 104. Thank you. I'll try and quickly read where the line went through. 104 car parking spaces and 10 motorcycle spaces on the site, plus the SRV, Landing Bay and Ambulance Bay. Condition 44, the motorcycle spaces must be provided within the basement. Oh no. And condition 52. No. Two of the car parking bays provided at grade must be signed and reserved for short-stay car parking. Mayor Stewart: Councillor Hunter Saracens. Councillor Officer Hilliard? Councillorlle Gillard? Councillor Jurisevic: Councillor Saylor? Yeah look, I think the substantial debate was had in the, elements of car parking were identified by сказ dé fact. These are in discussion with the applicant. We're agreed to change that could be agreed to readily to incorporate some motorcycle selection motor scooter parking phase that were potentially not included and some short stay parking for drop-offs for patients that will be attending the medical centre. I think that dealt with all of the conditions that the councillors had issue with.
00:16:00 Mayor Stewart: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mrich. Would anyone else like to speak to this? Councillor George, that's closed. We'll put it to a vote. All in favour? That is unanimous. Thank you, Allinda. That brings us to item number two, page 27. Budget review 1BR1 for the 2022-23 financial year. Item three, financial performance report, July 2022. Item four, operational plan progress report, fourth quarter, 2021-2022. Thank you, Councillor Stockwell. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: So, can I ask the CEO, in terms of the, I believe the executive group has considered the report, is there anything you wish to advise the meeting? Speaker 3: Through the Mayor, thank you, Councillor Stockwell. I'm very happy to advise that the executive team met yesterday and worked through the operational plan on a line-by-line basis.
00:17:00 The executive team are also here for any questions that the councillors may have. We've got four items out of the operational plan that we'll move from on-track back to a behind-the-schedule noting in there, and we are working through an improvement process to get new systems in place around this, also bearing in mind that the update that's provided in the operational plan is to the 30th of June 2022, so it doesn't take into account anything that's happened post-30 June 2022. Item 1.3. In relation to the offset strategy and the work that's been done, that will be moved from on-track administratively to behind-the-schedule. Item 1.4. The wait strategy will be moved from on-track to behind-the-schedule. Thank you. Item 5.9. The community engagement strategy and the framework will be moved from on-track to behind-the-schedule.
00:18:00 And then also, there is part of the report that speaks to COVID and a report to be provided to the Council as to what the impacts are of COVID and learnings around that. Item 5.11 within the strategy. That will be moved from on-track to behind-the-schedule. And the reasoning behind that particular matter is that the pandemic is still ongoing. And once we get to a stage of the new normal and we all agree that that's what it will be, we can do that review as to what the overall impact of COVID has been. I do understand that there were some other items that the Council had looked at. The executive team debated those very heavily yesterday. Their views are quite strong. And at that point in time, those matters were either on-track or behind-the-schedule as per what they had advised at that point in time. But there are four items we'll make administrative changes to. And we'll ensure that the next round of Q1 reporting of the operational plan then reflects
00:19:00 those changes that we've made from there. Councillor is happy to take any questions. And also the directors are available as well. Mayor Stewart: Thank you, Mr Steele. Councillor Jurisevic: Thank you, Mr Steele. I do have a question. Given that there is no additional report to this meeting and those items have been done, how will that information be reflected for the public? Speaker 3: Through the Chair, what we will do is we'll administratively make the changes and then we'll replace the report on the website to be able to reflect those changes there as well. Councillor Jurisevic: Can that change also be added to the, as an addendum to the, or an attachment to this meeting's minutes? Speaker 3: Absolutely, Councillor Jurisevic. For completeness, what we'll have is what was presented to the Council and then we'll also have what has also been administratively changed as well. Thank you. So there's a clear record there for the community and the Council. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: I think the best way, I'll move, as per the staff recommendation, taking B out of the
00:20:00 general committee meeting. Oh, so it's not showing on this screen. Councillor Wilkie: That's a first. Mayor Stewart: There we go. Sorry, John. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Yeah, okay. So taking B out and replacing with and administrative changes be reflected in the minutes of the meeting. Thank you. Thank you. Any administrative changes to the report, I suppose? Speaker 2: Yes, sir. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Any administrative changes to the report be reflected. Mayor Stewart: To report. Changes to report. Yeah. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Be reflected in the minutes of this meeting. Mayor Stewart: Thank Councillor for that. Councillor Ulrich.
00:21:00 Councillor Swapoh. Councillor Swapoh. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Not only that. Thanks, Councillor. Thank you all for doing it so promptly. It might be seen as a small issue, but it was about getting their thinking about our strategies on track or not. Mayor Stewart: Thank you, Mr Stockwell. Anyone else like to speak to this council? Councillor Jurisevic: Yes, I'd just like to thank the staff for acknowledging the concerns of the council as a reward to your attention and reflecting upon those issues and reversing the report accordingly. Mayor Stewart: Thank you. I'll put it to a vote. All in favour? Unanimous. Thank you. That brings us to item 5, Yearly Review 2021-2022. I'll move the adoption of the General Committee recommendations, except we dealt with my separate resolution. Thank you, Councillor Finzel. All in favour? That's unanimous. Thank you. Now up to item 9, reports directed to the ordinary media. We have two reports directed to this meeting. First report, MCU 2022-0067 for an application for material change of use for short-term accommodation at 401 Sunrise Road, Timbewar.
00:22:00 We have Jay and Kerry here. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: You want to give the report? Actually, I'm going to move the motion. I'll move the motion as per the staff recommendation with an addition, please. And the addition is... Request staff consider making whole house short-term accommodation that we might have an inconsistent use in the rural residential zone below four hectares as part of the current scheme amendments of the Noosa Plan 2020. Councillor Wilkie: May I come in? I'll second that. I need counselling with you. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: I do so. And because the further information that was supplied as part of the report to this committee was quite clearly identifying that the grounds for refusal are paper thin, if at all defendable.
00:23:00 The staff recommendation is an appropriate interpretation of what the planning scheme says, and that if we wish to change our position, the place to do that is by changing the planning scheme to reflect what we'd like to occur, rather than trying to interpret it in some fashion that would try and support a change by a development application. Mayor Stewart: Thank you, Mr Wilkie and Mr Stockwell. Would anyone have any questions for Kerry while she's here, or would anyone else like to speak to Councillor Stockwell's motion? Councillor Wegener: Wilkie. Yeah, I have a question for the CEO. Obviously, I was the one that is pursuing the refusal motion, and I have quite a lot of speech to give, but in this situation, would it be better to ask staff questions that kind of bring out my argument?
00:24:00 I do not want to badger staff in any way. I would prefer just to have the time to go through my refusal argument. Which would be better? Speaker 3: Through the Mayor, Councillor Wegener. Yeah, the preference absolutely would be is not to draw staff members into the debate at the Council table. If there's questions required to help you make a decision in relation to the recommendation of the motion before us, and that amended motion, Kerry's here to be able to do that. From what I can understand and discussions that we've had, you would most probably be speaking against the motion, and as a result, that would be more beneficial to be able to have that occurred. During the debate. Yeah. And speaking against. If that's the way that you're going. Councillor Lorentson: I have a question, Kerry. In terms of Team B1, I'm going to reference Patterson Drive,
00:25:00 where we had the deer facility. Is that street or that precinct, is that under the rural zoning? Sorry, where the deer? Yeah, so Patterson Drive. So where I'm going with this is my understanding all those blocks there, one fifth of the four hectares required under the rural zoning. Point of order. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: It's not debating the motion. It can't be considered. Oh, no. Councillor Lorentson: My question is flow on. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Sorry, I've asked for a point of order, so the Chairman has to respond. Chair Pearson. Mayor Stewart: We're focusing on the application. There is for us, which is 401. So can I change the question? Councillor Lorentson: Is the whole of Team B1 under the under the zoning? Speaker 4: There are large areas of Team B1 that have a rural residential zoning similar to this property. So, yes.
00:26:00 But there's obviously rural land in the area as well. Councillor Lorentson: So my next question is, can you give us an idea? Can you give us an idea of the range of land sizes within Team B1? Are they other blocks or four hectares? Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Point of order. No reference to the development application in front of us. It's inconsistent with the standing orders. Mayor Stewart: Councillor, do you want to reframe your question? Councillor Lorentson: It's more flow on effects and precedent setting is my concern. So my question is, a block that's, say, one hectare. That's more flow on effects and precedent setting is my concern. That's considered rural residential zoning. And a block that's four hectares is also zoned rural residential. And under the current zoning, both at the moment, the land use is for short term accommodation. Speaker 4: Okay. So properties in the area do vary in size.
00:27:00 I would suggest this is probably a little bit smaller than some. But there's probably others in the area as well. So they're going to vary. What council really needs to look at is that performance outcome and whether it complies. Because as I explained at general, it is a performance-based scheme. So yes, they don't meet the four hectare. But we have to decide whether it meets the performance outcome. And that's what we really need to focus on. If we do not want to support short term accommodation in the rural residential area, then we need to look at changing the planning scheme and go out to consultation with the community. Because at the moment, the way a scheme is drafted, it does support short term accommodation in the rural residential area. Councillor Lorentson: Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Karen. Thank you. Any further questions? Mayor Stewart: Do you like to speak to this? Councillor Wegener: Yeah. Mayor Stewart: Now's your chance. Councillor Wegener: Are you ready with the slides and the photos? Linda, let's go to the charts and the two photos first.
00:28:00 And then we'll go to the sections that are in the agenda. There we go. OK. Are the charts there? Mayor Stewart: No. Any other photos? Councillor Wegener: OK. Do you want the charts? Before, a resident sent to me charts with the loudness required, the acceptable audio requirements. And it was a chart. And it showed that a normal conversation in live music goes over the accepted amount of noise or sound that a property can make, that you consider that. And they said that, actually, it's higher than what is acceptable. And I'm going to bring that up, why that's so important, later on. Could we go to the other? Actually, you can't really. I'm sorry that you can't really see it. This is the driveway coming down here. And there's a house right here.
00:29:00 And there's a bottleneck. And perhaps if we, well, you can't really, it's rough, it's very poorly shown here. But there's a very small area outside the garages and a bit of a bottleneck, quite a bottleneck, going out to the road. And it says in PO 12, sufficient on-site parking is provided to accommodate the number and type of vehicles likely to be generated by the road. And the visitor accommodation, having regard to the number of guests and staff or visitors. And it says in AO 12, well, first of all, there's not, when you look at that, the garages there, if there's four cars in there, one of them can get out and three of them can't, clearly. So it's going to be very difficult. There's a bottleneck there. So if there are guests, it's going to be a schmazzle, because you're going to have cars parked up and down the road there. And we've already had people complaining about this, you know, requesting a refusal, because
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00:30:00 they say, this is going to affect our amenity. And so, acceptable outcome from PO 12 is AO 12.1. Visitor car parking spaces are not located, not located in tandem with a growing number of car parking spaces. And you have the garage in and you have this long bottleneck, so that really, I can't imagine more than three cars being in there without the fourth car would be a bottleneck. And so you would have, absolutely have a bottleneck in there. So it does not comply with the car parking requirements. And you know that there's four bedrooms, and so there's going to be at least four cars. And if there's any guests, which you know there's going to be, they're going to be up the road there. And these people have already complained about that. They've already complained that the parking is inadequate. So the sounding is inadequate, and the parking is inadequate. And that goes to amenity.
00:31:00 And amenity is reflected in the 1.9 hectares. The development is on a site sufficient to accommodate the use without detracting from the character and amenity of the local area. People are already complaining. 1.9 hectares is too small. The parking is too small. The noise will be going out. And it will affect the amenity. And the amenity is where we talk about the business code, the visitor accommodation code, and then the rural residential code. So let's, could we go to the codes now? Speaker 4: That was in the agenda, council? Councillor Wegener: Yeah, agenda page, starting page 31. I'm sorry.
00:32:00 Councillor Wegener: Okay, so here we have 1.9 hectares. It has to be sufficient. Where does it say? It has to be 4 hectares right there. That is about amenity. The reason this outfit is used reflects the amenity. Okay, let's go down to the bottom of that page. 12 right here. Sufficient on-site car parking provided to accommodate a number and type of vehicles likely, likely to be generated by the visitor accommodation, having in regard to the staff or poor visitors. And then coming down here, car parking where spaces are not located in tandem with, and then it goes to the next page, a garage or other car parking spaces.
00:33:00 That means one car in front of another. To get out. And so we're off the charts there. That's, it does not, there's no tick right there. Let's go down to PO 25. And it just, this B talks about likely to increase noise to adjoining properties. And then, Okay, so then at the bottom here, the proposed use will not impact on the residential function of the area, will not impact on the safety and efficiency of the local road network. The applicant, where did it go? The applicant, the applicant has stated that waste, noise, and increased car activity will be managed so as to not cause impacts to surrounding residents. Well, does it really matter what the applicant says? It's for sale.
00:34:00 Property's for sale. It's for sale. This is, this, this, this is merely to raise the value of things that are, that are priced for it, for this property. It's already on the market. And so that, that's what we're looking at. Okay, let's go down a little bit further to the next page. In the next page, we start looking at the Rural Residential Code. Is that? Councillor Jurisevic: How many minutes? Councillor Wegener: Okay, I'll wrap that up. Yeah, okay. Thank you for that. So, the Rural Residential Code, the reason I wanted to have the charts up there, because if this was a skateboard maker, a woodworker, that, that audio code, or the code concerning how much noise it's going to produce, well, they would, they would say, oh, you have to apply for a permit to do your woodworking.
00:35:00 And we're going to look at what the audio sounds are at. Okay. And if it was a home hosted accommodation, it'd be the same thing. You'd have to go up there. Oh, is it going to be so noisy? We need, we need to do that because that's what the Rural Residential Code demands. Here, when you, when all of a sudden it turns into a complete property turning into a business, basically changing the zoning, which runs with the land, there's no need to look at how, look, look at the, the amount of the noise. Because it, it, the Rural Residential Code would have said, absolutely not. You cannot have a, a full property becoming a short-term hotel, basically, in the Rural Residential Code. It's not even contemplated because the, the Rural Residential Code supports small home hosted accommodation. Then, as we went through last time, we, the acceptable outcome says it's for, Rural Residential is, supports small scale visitor accommodation on large atonements with varying levels of services.
00:36:00 And then the AO 1.3 says, subordinate to the use of the premises as a domestic residence. It says it's supposed to be subordinate to resident. This is not subordinate at all. And so, the Rural Residential Code clearly does not contemplate this because it, it, it, it probably, maybe it's a, a, a, a blip in the planning scheme, an inconsistency, but it, it, it doesn't support this in any way, shape, or form. Because it's a complete change of, and it goes from, it runs with the land. It changes, basically, the zoning from a, a, a home to a, a, a hotel. So, it, it's, it's clearly not consistent with the town, with the town plan.
00:37:00 I, I just don't, I find this application to be inconsistent with the town plan. Mayor Stewart: Thanks, Ken. I have a question, Kerry. Um, the furtherest point, um, of the actual area of 401's, um, uh, Sunrise Road, how close is it to guesstimate to the nearest neighbour in metres? Speaker 4: Yeah, so, um, the officer reports to the ordinary meeting. Um, on page 35, uh, it gives councillors some estimates. Um, so you can see those on there. It's quite some distance. So, you're looking at around 50 metres, uh, from properties. Mayor Stewart: Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Joe. Councillor Jurisevic: Are there regulations now with, uh, short stay accommodations with regard to, uh, noise, uh, and amenity for, uh, uh, adjoining residents? And time restrictions on, uh... Speaker 4: Yes, we have, we have a local law in place, um, designed to help manage the impact of short-term accommodation, both existing and new ones, on, on, on residents.
00:38:00 Um, so that's in place. Council has a 24-7 hotline that residents can call if there's a problem. Um, we also have a security firm on call at times if needed, particular problem, problem properties. Um, so that, that is designed, um, to help manage noise and make the person operating the use responsible for that use. Um, it's been in place since February this year. Um, and, uh, already with some of the past problem properties, we are seeing an improvement. Thank you. Councillor Jurisevic: And with regards to the, uh, car parking and the stacking of cars, as, uh, Councillor Wegener has alluded to, is that, do you believe that that will be the situation? Where four bedrooms apply and four cars may be associated with those four bedrooms? Is there a sufficient car park available to enable the number of, number of, likely a number of vehicles, which may be more than two, that can be accommodated at the garage to, uh, to be doubled up?
00:39:00 Speaker 4: Yeah. So on site, uh, there's, the house has a double garage, so accommodates two cars. And there's quite a, an extensive driveway internal to the property, um, where you would find space for, um... for cars to park. So this proposal is for eight persons in total. Um, and I would suggest a 1.9 hectare size sufficient to accommodate a parking lot. Mayor Stewart: Okay. And then I'd also like to speak to this. Okay. Councillor Stockwell, would you like to close? Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Yeah, I, I will close. Um, I will rebut Councillor Wegener's arguments. So I think it's important not to put out false information to the public arena. And the concluding statement of Councillor Wegener was that the application doesn't fit the planning scheme in any way, shape or form.
00:40:00 Yet we have the report of our professional officers here who have twice now said that they believe that the application and the development fits the Noosa Plan 2020 in every way, every shape and every form. So you can't make things up. So, to look at some of the things. At that point he was talking about the Rural Residential Code and was talking about the acceptable outcome. Acceptable outcome is one way to achieve the performance outcome. And no, it doesn't meet the acceptable outcome in that particular code. So applicants then have to justify why they think the performance outcome. And they have convinced our professional staff that they do meet that performance outcome. He talked a lot about noise and the regulations not allowing that you can't talk outside the meeting noise regulations. And I'm not sure which particular noise regulation he's referring to.
00:41:00 And made suggestions that because it wasn't a home-based business that may have conditions upon it, regulating noise, that that would be a worse impact on neighbours. The questions have highlighted that we have a local law that controls amenities. And there's a lot of community issues that are outside the planning scheme. But there's also the Environment Protection Regulation for noise, which covers all premises. But, Joe, your fallback position. Councillor Wegener also mentioned that we should be considering the properties for sale. And if we were to consider that in our assessment of this application, we would be breaking the law. We cannot consider the personal financial situation of the applicant or the application. We can only consider the planning grounds under the remit we have under the Planning Act. And there was also a lot made about the car parking. And suggesting an opinion that it couldn't meet the car parking requirements.
00:42:00 Where staff have clearly said there is an acceptable solution to car parking that the development meets. So we don't even have to go to the performance outcome. It's met the minimum number that is required by the scheme. It complies. So to go any other way than this, it would be open to appeal and would be wasting ratepayers' money. Clear? If you want to waste, you know, minimum 20 grand of the ratepayers' money to try and stand up for a provision within the scheme that you may wish to change, that's your prerogative to vote against this motion. Why I added C is, I think there is arguments about what we should focus on. I think we should focus the rural residential zone on in these smaller lots. And I do think there is grounds to have a look at the scheme to make it inconsistent for whole house rentals rather than home based business. But that's the way to do it. Change the scheme and then assess future applications against that change scheme.
00:43:00 Mayor Stewart: Thank you, Councillor Stockwell. We'll put a vote all in favour. Councillor Finzel, Stockwell, Jurisvic, Morgan against. Mr Stewart and Tewantin. That motion carried. Thank you, Kerry. Five. Destination Management Plans and Control Groups. DMPPCG. Appointment of community and or industry representatives. Page 37 of the agenda. We have Kim here. Hi, Kim. Kim, can you please give us a summary of the approach? Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Sorry, I need to declare. I wish to declare a declarable conflict of interest. One of the nominees, Mr Rod Ritchie, assisted with my 2016 and 2020 election campaign.
00:44:00 Mr Ritchie contributed by helping in letterboxing and handing out how to vote cards. The in-kind value of his voluntary efforts may exceed the $500 benchmark for a declarable conflict, but would not reach the $2000 benchmark for a prescribed conflict. My relationship with Mr Ritchie is a civic and would not trigger the definition of a close personal relationship under the Act. Considering the above and the fact that Mr Ritchie's nomination is civic in nature, I believe a fair person would see my participation in the matter is in the public interest and I choose to stay in the room. However, I will respect the decision of the meeting and whether I can remain and participate in the decision. Councillor Wilkie: Mr CEO, I have a conflict of interest that now I've seen the full list of community nominees. Speaker 3: In relation to the individual, have you spoken to that individual and asked if you have their
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00:45:00 approval to be able to advise that they are part of that application process? No. No. Okay. From the privacy perspective, if we had to consider a firm, we would need to do that in confidentiality. It may be worthwhile to adjourn to confidentiality on that particular matter and Councillor Wilkie we will deal with your conflict of interest at that time. Do you believe it's similar in nature to Councillor Stockwell's? Councillor Wilkie: I believe it's similar in nature, yes except the amounts involved are less. Oh, less. Okay. Speaker 3: I think that's fine. I think we can deal with that in Confidential and my advice would be to deal with that, do that in Confidential. Mayor Stewart: I'll move that we go into Confidential session just on the basis to protect one of our residents, Cransey, who has not had the opportunity to be advised and nor do we know of their consent. So I'll move on that basis.
00:56:00 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Mayor Stewart: Thank you for our welcome back. We have resolved a talk through Councillor Wilkie's issue and Councillor Wilkie has taken advice from the person in question. And so that has been resolved. We will now go back to Councillor Stockwell's conflict, declarable conflict of interest. Councillor Stockwell, I move that Councillor Stockwell note the declarable conflict of interest by Councillor Stockwell and determine that it is in the public interest that Councillor Stockwell participates and votes on this matter because Councillor believes that Councillor Stockwell does not stand to receive a personal benefit or loss in relation to this matter and therefore a reasonable person would trust that the final decision is made. Councillor Lorentson: I'm happy to second that. Mayor Stewart: Thank you. Thank you. Look, this is, you know, I think Councillor Stockwell
00:57:00 and thank him for declaring this being overly prudent. This is a, the person in question will seek no benefit nor gain. It's a reference group or a community group that doesn't, it's an advisory group but it's not a decision-making group. Obviously, always the decisions are decided around this table and I believe it is in the Council's best interest that Councillor Stockwell remain in the room. Anyone else like to speak to this? Councillor Stockwell. Councillor Jurisevic: Look, I just, yeah, I say that it's prudent that the Councillor has, made the declaration but I don't see any conflict arise in dealing with the nomination by the person described in the declaration. Mayor Stewart: Thank you, Councillor. Anyone else? Councillor Jurisevic: I can't hear you, I don't have something to comment on. Okay. Mayor Stewart: Put the matter to a vote all in favour. That is unanimous. Noting that Councillor Wilkie and Councillor Stockwell did not vote on the matter.
00:58:00 That now leads us to Councillor Wilkie's resolution. Councillor Wilkie: Thank you, Madam Mayor. I have a declarable conflict of interest that one of the nominees, Mr Barry Cottrell, assisted with my 2016 and 2020 election campaign. Mr Cottrell, contributed by handing out how to vote cards, donated $200 to my 2016 campaign. My relationship with Mr Cottrell is civic in nature, would not trigger the completion of a close personal relationship under the Act. Considering the fact that Mr Cottrell's nomination is civic in nature, I believe a fair person would see my participation in the matter is in the public interest and choose, and I choose, and choose to stay in the room. However, I will respect the decision of the meeting or whether I can remain and participate in the decision. Mayor Stewart: I move that Councillor note the declarable conflict of interest by Councillor Wilkie and determine that it is in the public interest that Councillor Wilkie participates and votes on this matter because Councillor believes that Councillor Wilkie does not stand to receive a personal benefit or loss in relation to this matter and therefore a reasonable person would trust that the final decision
00:59:00 is made in the public interest. Councillor Stokewell, I thank Councillor Wilkie for being overly prudent and for the exact same reasons that have already been discussed. Thank you. Anyone else like to speak to this? We'll put it to a vote. All in favour? That is Councillor, Councillor Lorentson, Councillor Finzel, Wegener, Stewart Jurisevic. No votes. I remain that Councillor Stockwell and Wegener do not vote. Councillor Wilkie. Wilkie, be pardoned. Councillor Stockwell and Wilkie do not vote. Now, that brings us to Kim giving a summary. Speaker 1: Thank you, Kim. Through the Chair, evening Councillors. The report in front of you is following a decision of Council in July to form a project control group to support the process of developing the destination management plan, which is a significant project that Council is embarking on.
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01:00:00 So this report provides the outcomes of a process that was run following that Council decision to put in place some more governance and oversight around the project. The project control group is intended to provide guidance and oversight and input into the process of developing the destination management plan. As... In order to recruit a number of community members, we ran an EOI process. We've run a really comprehensive process. We've had lots of input and applications. We received 29 fantastic applications for only three positions. So it was a very robust and considered process, a very high calibre applicants and very good quality applications. So it was a challenging process just to come... to be able to recommend three to be appointed to the PCG.
01:01:00 And considering that, what this report also does is to thank those who weren't successful in being recommended to be appointed on the PCG, but to invite them to form a community panel, an external community panel. It was intended that an external community panel or reference group would be formed in phase three of the project, given we have such high levels. It's a very high calibre and a great representation through these... the other 26 applications... applicants. The report recommends that those people be invited in the first instance to form the community panel. Thank you. Mayor Stewart: Thank you. Any questions for... Deputy Mayor Stockwell: I think it'd be good to have a conversation and as a result of the privacy provisions and the... and the... the names and the assessment process being confidential, I'd move that we move in...
01:02:00 Oh, I stand up first and then move that we go into confidential session for the reasons outlined in the report. To give the reasons why it was confidential? Yep. Yep. Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's item R. Item I. Is it? Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Yeah, it is. Okay, scroll down, I think. Nearly there. Oh, we've only got the E, okay. Speaker 1: No, it's against the confidential attachment. Yes, yes. Speaker 3: So it's item I against the attachment. A matter of the local government is required to keep confidential under a law of or formal arrangement with the commonwealth or the state. So item I. Thank you. Speaker 3: Thank you. So item...item I under the local government regulations.
01:03:00 Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Oh, okay. That's all I need to think. That's all. Mayor Stewart: We have a second that it's going to confidential. Yeah. Anybody? Yes.
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01:31:00 Speaker 2: Thank you. Speaker 3: So that was Stewart and Finzel. Mayor Stewart: Yeah, right. Out of the confidential. Speaker 3: And thanks, Aliyah. Mayor Stewart: Thank you. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Back on camera. We are. Mayor Stewart: Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Thank you, the community and those watching for your patience. We are back to Kim. Does anyone have any further questions for Kim? No? Would anyone like to move the recommendation? Deputy Mayor Stockwell: I'll move the recommendation. And with the three names, if we can just scroll down, Alinda, scrolling down to the place
01:32:00 for the three names. Speaker 4: Yeah. Speaker 2: Oh, sorry, my apologies. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: It's frozen. So a point. There we go. So with the A to read, appoint the following three nominees as community and or industry members on the Destination Management Plan Project Control Group. And those names are. Michael Tarrant. Nathaniel Bromley and Wayne Kaila Thompson. Mayor Stewart: Michael Bromley. Nathaniel. Nathaniel. Nathaniel. Thank you.
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01:35:00 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . And Wayne has had involved in up to 40 destination management plans, has trained professionals in destination management planning and has come with the concept of the triple bottom line approach to that process. So we're really fortunate that they have put their hands up to serve their community in this fashion. I think it's really clear to understand there may be some misunderstanding about what we're doing here. This is not like a community reference group. This is about taking the next step into participatory democracy to understanding this is a new area for council,
01:36:00 that all the knowledge to do this well does not reside in Pelican Street. And so what we've asked is we've asked for people to come up who have got complementary knowledge, who've got higher level experience to help strategically guide this project. So the project control group is about strategic guidance. But we've been overrun with great offers to be involved, and I think the staff's suggestion of coming up with a community panel starting it now and using them as a broader sounding board if we come up with approaches out of the project control group before we go live, before we go out to the general community, we'd run it by the community panel, see if they've got other suggestions or ideas or their feedback, so it will hopefully get to where we want to be, which is that this plan is going to be very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very is owned equally within the community as it is within council, because many of the issues we're dealing with can only be dealt with if we have behaviour change at a community level, but also at a visitor level, but also we have actions that are really addressing what the community values the most, and that's where you get these broader participative processes really enriching a plan if it works well.
01:37:00 And I believe the structure we've put in place for the plan has got a high likelihood that it will lead to a very useful strategic direction which will guide it for the next 10 to 20 years. Mayor Stewart: Thank you, Councillor Stockwell. Anyone else like to speak to this? Councillor Lorentson: I'll speak to it. Okay. I'm going to talk about the destination management plan because there's been a lot of comment in community. So again, I sort of want to just dumb it down and simplify it.
01:38:00 And I'm going to start by talking about what's brought us here, which is COVID. You know, the COVID pandemic has created a tsunami of challenges for not only Noosa, but for most other tourist destinations around the globe. There's a saying that if we do nothing, nothing's going to change. And if that's the case, then what's important to our community, our natural environment, our residential amenity and houses for our workers and most vulnerable will be further at risk. The DMP is our opportunity to change and do something to rethink how we plan for our visitor economy. And by our, I mean the whole of community, not just the whole of council. Tourism cannot be separated from our community. The community is a core part of our destination and success will be measured by this community,
01:39:00 by what matters to this community. The DMP must therefore be driven, not only by industry and our tourism body, but by the community from the get go. And that's exactly what we're doing. From the start, it's the plan that the PCG and the public engagement plan. The process is going to collect all this expertise and knowledge. And most importantly, it's going to collect the values and vision of both industry and our community. And then the DMP is going to come up with a united vision that will support a strong and sustainable destination. We've been overwhelmed by seriously great people during this expression of interest. Three people that we've chosen have enormous depth of expertise and knowledge in destination management, in sustainable tourism, in strategic planning and environmental
01:40:00 management. All the remaining applicants, all with again, great knowledge and expertise are also invited to join a community panel. It's time right now that our visitor economy enters into a social contract with this community. A plan that delivers social, cultural and environmental benefits to this community. And a plan that supports, and I googled regenerative visitor economy after your comments, Brian Stockwell, and I love it. I hope this plan actually supports that title. I think it's a great example of a type of visitor economy, a regenerative economy where giving back is actually more important than taking. So I am excited and encouraged that we're heading in the right direction.
01:41:00 Mayor Stewart: A quick question. Councillor Wegener: Did we receive all the applications or just the three? Speaker 3: Only the three there that have been recommended. So it's been received as part of the pack for you. Bearing in mind any further discussion on any of the other individuals will need to go on the closed session of the council. Mayor Stewart: I'll speak to the, first of all, I want to thank those many, many people who responded overwhelmed. Because that's a huge amount of effort and time and it's so pleasing that they will all be invited to be on that community panel. So I want to thank the community firstly for their input. I also want to acknowledge our three who will be invited to join the PCG.
01:42:00 I mean, Council Stockwell, you talked a lot about their attributes and mentioned factors in their resume. I'm just going to highlight a few more. Wayne, Deputy Chief Executive, previous Deputy Chief Executive, Tourism Victoria. Chair of the Great Ocean Road Regional Tourism. Has written or been involved in over 40 destination action plans. I mean, his advice and his expertise will guide us all and be so helpful. Michael, former member of MPA, Tourism Noosa, Noosa Chamber of Commerce. He's written three books, 12 book chapters and had 60 peer-reviewed journal articles in tourism sustainability. Again, an academic, as Council Stockwell said, but one who will have so much knowledge in this space. And then Nathaniel, a local father, husband, Noosa Tri Club member, Sunshine Beach Surf Club member, member of Noosa Surfing Community Alliance, a local business owner, and also a consultant in the environmental risk and sustainability management area.
01:43:00 He's delivered major events and risk management plans for high profile events. Now, events are incredibly important and will feature strongly in our DMP. The management of the facilitation, ensuring that there's no loss of our residential amenity. So I'm really excited that these three have really put up their hand and are willing to help us because that's what it is, it's a help. Bearing in mind that all decisions are made at this table, but I think their guidance along with other members of the PCG and the community panel will be instrumental in us as a Council, and let me reiterate, us as a Council, formulating and delivering a great and sustainable destination management plan for our community. Thank you. Councillor Wegener: Well, first, I wish I could say that I have a conflict of interest with Nathan because he's with Red Bull and I've been sponsored by Red Bull for years. That's not the case.
01:44:00 Michael Tarrant has also been on the Noosa Biosphere Reserve Foundation board as a director. I'm going to, I'm so impressed with the list and these people that have put their efforts forward is absolutely fantastic and the amount of talent represented here is off the charts. I didn't, well, I'm just going to respectfully not vote in favor of the motion tonight because I still have some sincere reservations about how this is going forward, but I thank everybody and I hope, I hope again, I say it again, that I am, um, that, that this project exceeds my expectations. Mayor Stewart: Thank you. Councillor Finzel: Look, I think this is exciting. It's, you know, we can move forward for a great sustainable future and to see the engagement and the level of, you know, applications and
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01:45:00 people who wanted to be a part of that, I think it's really exciting. As we're all aware, we sit at a, a critical juncture, um, in this time and in this place, you know, we're fundamentally changed by COVID. We've been impacted by so many, you know, disasters and how we're going to manage that moving forward. So I think this is an exciting step moving forward. We've got engagement from specialists. We've heard what they bring to the team. We've got our staff on board, got a new CEO and we're primed and ready to, to head towards a great sustainable future. And I love the idea where every citizen is a, is a leader and that every citizen can bring something to the table. So when we talk about regenerative social impacts and how we engage with each other in a collaborative effort to lead forward to a future that we can be, have it future-proofed for our generations is really exciting. So thank you to all the people who applied, the people who engaged and, um, everyone has been part of the process. Thank you.
01:46:00 And, um, it's with great excitement. I think we can, um, look forward to a great feedback. And meanwhile, central to this theme is going to be finding hopefully, you know, security for our, um, community that we hope we can deliver that balance between visitors coming to enjoy our region and what we enjoy for the residents who live here on a day-to-day basis. So I think it's really exciting. Thank you. Councillor Jurisevic: I too, I'm impressed by the, uh, the list of applicants that have put their names forward to, uh, to be a part of this process to help guide, um, council in the process going forward. The PCG being what it is, um, we're working on probably one of the most difficult and challenging elements of council going forward, I think, with regard to how we manage our destination for not only our residents, but also, uh, the tourism impacts that, uh, they're upon.
01:47:00 Sustainable elements on it. So much, uh, to, to considering in this going forward. So I look forward to, uh, observing the process as we go forward, hearing the, uh, hearing the discussion and the arguments, uh, of the elements of the, uh, plan as it, uh, is developed and ultimately the decision, uh, before councillors to, uh, accept the, uh, the recommendations that are brought forward. Mayor Stewart: Thank you, Councillor. Thank you, Mayor. Councillor Wilkie: I think it's a very good start. I support the process that's been proposed and adopted as the way forward. I concur with the comments around the table about the quality of the applicants and the three who are going to be on the PCG. We're committed to taking a whole council, whole community approach to this. I think having the PCG with the expertise, the high level strategic expertise, plus also the community external panel with a wide range
01:48:00 of representatives from across, across the Shire, will be feeding into that process and guiding that process is the right way to go. And, although we're respecting and harnessing the expertise that is out in the community, we're not abrogating our decision making responsibility. Yeah. There will be hard decisions that will have to be made by the councillors in the final wash up. So that's, that's still going to happen. But, uh, I think it's a very good start and, um, I'm looking forward to it getting done. Thank you, Councillor. Mayor Stewart: Do you, um, Councillor Stewart, would you like to close? Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Yeah, I will close. Um, one of the things I've said and the Director said it previously is that if this document, this planning process is to be monitored for its effectiveness, one of the aims will be that in
01:49:00 five years' time, people in the Noosa community, say, hold just as much ownership and defend with just as much vigour as they do the Noosa Plan as they do the Noosa Destination Management Plan. Because they're two peas in a pod. Why we have to do the Destination Management Plan is some of the impacts we're experiencing cannot be controlled by a statutory land use plan. So that's a monitoring for the effectiveness of the plan. And if we're looking at monitoring and evaluation, you also look at key performance of criteria for the efficacy of your process. And we've heard what it is. Our key performance indicator is we have to exceed Councillor Wegener's expectations. Mayor Stewart: I don't know, we'll put them both on the paper. That's councillors Lorentson, Finzel, Stockwell, Jurisevic, Wilkie and Stewart against. Councillor Wegener. That is carried. Thank you. That brings us to item 10. Thank you, Kim. Thank you. No confidential sessions or we're out of that anyway.
01:50:00 Public question time. No public questions. Our next ordinary meeting will be held on the 15th of September 2020.