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00:00:00 Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Good morning, welcome councillors and staff to the August Planning Environment Committee meeting agenda. We pay our respects to the traditional owners of this place, both past, present and emerging. And today we have five items on the agenda, of which three have been asked to be referred to the General Committee, but we will go through each of those items to see if there are any further information or questions that might be relevant to be answered here. So item one is for a material change of use, for a development application for a material change of use, I just said that, for visitor accommodation, type 3, at 500 slash 90 Beach Road, Noosa North Shore. Now this is one of the ones that has been requested by myself, because of the significance of the matter and the community interest. But do we have any questions or further information that you'd like from staff?
00:01:00 Councillor Wegener: As a surfer, you know, people, there's a lot of interest around that, you know, the community. So I went to the property and after reading this very, very closely, I think it complies with the rules. And I don't think it, I don't think I can support Council in this way, because... Deputy Mayor Stockwell: So, Council, you appear to be debating the point, which is what we're going to do next Monday. Yeah. Is there any further information you require, should there be a, should, to justify your position or further information to clarify your position as in being contrary to what you've written in the staff report? Speaker 5: One other question. Would you like to add anything to that?
00:02:00 Councillor Wegener: No, but I recommend going to the place and having a look at it. Okay. Mayor Stewart: I've got a question. I was a bit confused about the detached dwelling, the house. So it says it sleeps up to 12 people, but it's only a two-bedroom dwelling. Can you tell me a bit more about that? Speaker 1: So the application was lodged for a two-bedroom dwelling last year. Yeah. Through the number of meetings that we've had with the City Council. So the applicant and the owner, they've come in in June, I believe, with a proposal to limit the number of people that go to the site being to a maximum of 12. So that's where that number's come from. So they're saying that they would fit a maximum of 12 in the dwelling, but they haven't changed the plans to increase the bedrooms or anything like that. Mayor Stewart: How many bathrooms do they have? Speaker 1: Two. Three. I think there's one on the ground floor too. Mayor Stewart: Okay. Speaker 4: So they only sleep in a bedroom, for instance. Mayor Stewart: Yeah. I'm just confused at what it's actually going to be used for.
00:03:00 Speaker 4: The purpose is confusing. Well, yeah. To me, it goes to the veracity of the application in some respects. They've got 12 people, but it's a two-bedroom unit. It doesn't make sense to me. Mayor Stewart: Yeah. That's what I'm sort of... Yeah. That's what I... There was sort of some inconsistency from reading the report. Yeah. Now, the lagoon pool, I mean, I read about it was going to take 300 trucks and a huge amount of effort to build it. How long would that take? Like, what would be the impact for the ferry system? Speaker 1: We're not sure. Not too much information has been given on the actual construction of the lagoon. The application's really focused more on the actual building. So they haven't actually given us the plans for the specific lagoon that they're planning on building. And they haven't launched any operational works application to give us an understanding of what kind of work is actually required to construct the lagoon and how long it will actually take. Speaker 4: Yeah. We can ask the applicant how long they estimate it may take.
00:04:00 Mayor Stewart: Thank you. Speaker 4: And we can try and work out how long we think it would take for 300 trucks to go over the ferry. Yeah. So we'll come back to you with some estimates, I guess, on that. Mayor Stewart: Yeah. And I guess then the question, with 300 trucks using the ferry, what's the impact on our local residents? Yeah. That's a big question. Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, what officers are saying, it's an impact on the ferry services, potentially, but also people living along that route. Yeah. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: On that issue, can I just, because I'm curious, the suggestion is that it's a freshwater pool, but there appear to be an alternative option to pump out of the river at another location. Would that then make it a saltwater pool? Speaker 4: Unless they plan to treat it in some way. Okay. Hmm. Councillor Wegener: Councillor? I'd like to have more information on how this is likely to adversely impact on the amenity of visitors and residents on the Noosa North Shore.
00:05:00 Speaker 4: Yeah. So what officers are saying, it has the potential to impact on our local residents. So we're going to have to make sure that we're able to fill the lagoon up initially, but also to continue to top up the lagoon over time. So there's been two proposals put, well, three proposals put forward. One is potentially letting it fill by rainfall. Calculations show that it would take over a year to fill. The other option the applicant has put forward is from a property on the Noosa North Shore to pump from the river and then truck the water back to the lagoon. So the impacts there are about residents living on the route and having those vehicles which they wouldn't expect to have on that route. The other concern is because we don't know what type of system it is, it's difficult to fully assess any noise impacts from the equipment used to operate the lagoon itself and the wave action. So there's proposals to put.
00:06:00 We've got the equipment underground, which sounds like a good option in terms of mitigating impacts. But there's some limited certainty as to what it is because they haven't actually chosen the type of wave park yet. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Okay. So just in terms of the construction, the sound, and they're saying they're going to dig it down five metres and it's within, I forgot to check the map, is it under five metre AHD at the top they told us? Speaker 1: Yes. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: It may be for next week to come prepared to explain what the potential hazard of disturbing acid sulphate soil is. Councillor Wilkie? Councillor Wilkie: The report mentions that conflicts with the planning scheme have been refused because it involves a clearing of 1.24 hectares of certain species habitat at high-value regrowth reputation. Could you also provide information about what species are involved there, please?
00:07:00 Yeah. Yeah. I'd like that information if possible. Speaker 4: We're certainly into that for you. The site is mapped as koala habitat by the state, so I would expect the species is predominantly koala food trees. Yes. But we can look at whether there's any other species there that might be impacting. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: There is a section lower down where it explains it is what we know as scribbly gum, bloodwood, and in the lower area is blue gum. There's also then going into the wetlands where you have the swamp crayfish and other species there associated with the wetland systems. Councillor Wilkie: So the threatened species relates to the koala as well as the hornet? Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Yes. No, I wouldn't go that far. I don't think that ... It may be worthwhile checking because it's regrowth. It won't necessarily have a biodiversity status. Yeah. Councillor Wilkie: I'd just like to know if it's fauna or flora.
00:08:00 Speaker 4: Yeah. Connor has advised that the ecosystem there is habitat for threatened species, and this is reflected in the classification under the planning scheme, the environmental protection classification under the NUSA plan, including glossy black cockatoos, koalas, wallum froglet, and swamp crayfish. Yeah. So he's suggesting potentially it's both, flora and fauna. Thank you. Councillor Wilkie: Thank you very much. Councillor Wegener: I want to clarify ancillary use, because the proposal does not constitute an ancillary use. And so it seems to me that, from my looking at what an ancillary use is, that this is an ancillary, it's just, it's a pool. There's lots of pools over there on the North Shore already. It's just a slightly bigger pool with a pump on one end. But I don't, it's making it look like that it's going to be a tourist attraction.
00:09:00 And that the house is just a small part of the actual pool is actually the tourist attraction. Is that right? The thinking behind it? Or the way that council is seeing it? Speaker 4: Well, council officers are seeing it, that it's not ancillary. Because of the scale of the pool and the potential impacts it brings. It will also be the main attractor to the site. People aren't going to necessarily go there for the accommodation. They're more likely to go there because the offering of the wave park on site. So it's not ancillary in any way, being the main attractor. If it was a swimming pool, a typical swimming pool, I would call that ancillary. But a wave park such as proposed, it is how big? 4,000. 4,000 square metres is not considered ancillary, given the impacts it will have. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: So in old terminology, people listing 4,000 square metres as about one acre? One acre, yeah. Speaker 4: So, it's a sizeable pool.
00:10:00 So we would suggest to the applicant that, and we have done, that they should have made the application for the accommodation as well as for the wave park itself. And the wave park, through this application, they're suggesting that only people staying on site will attend the wave park. That could have formed part of their proposal. It does not make it a separate, not a separate use. So it's still a separate use. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Thank you. I have a technical one for you. Obviously the report was ostensibly written before the 31st of July, but it's published after the 31st of July, and I think it may be worthwhile coming up with an extra note for the motion about reference to the Noosa plan, unless otherwise noted is a reference to the superseded planning scheme. Because all the discussion infers that we're talking about the planning scheme in force at the time we're reading this report, and that's not the case.
00:11:00 So I think for correctness, we need to make, it's pretty obvious when you look at the discussion, but just for correctness in case it goes to appeal, we make it really clear that reference to the Noosa plan refers to the superseded scheme under which this application was made. Speaker 4: Okay, so you would like a note in the sort of motion, if you like? Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Yeah, I think just an extra clause in the motion. Speaker 4: Just a note, make it clear for everybody? Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Yep. Mayor Stewart: I've got a question, Kerry. On page 15 of the report, it says the subject site is identified as one of only five dedicated undeveloped visitor accommodation sites left in Noosa North Shore, and only one of two sites specifically dedicated to low impact visitor accommodation. So I guess my question is, what's the opportunity cost? Like if we didn't do this, and this is only going to house, have two bedrooms and 12 people, what does this site have the potential for re-visitors? Good question. Speaker 4: What potential is left if this development was to proceed? No. No. Instead of? Mayor Stewart: Instead of.
00:12:00 Speaker 4: What else is available? Okay. Is that the question? No, no. Speaker 5: It's an outside. Yeah, so this is a dream site. Correct. So if this particular development can go ahead, but if it was fully developed as a tourism facility, what would be the carrying capacity of a fully developed tourism site? Mayor Stewart: Oh, on this site. Bearing in mind that it's only one of five. Speaker 5: Yeah. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: It's an opportunity cost question. Mayor Stewart: Yeah. It's an opportunity cost question. Yeah. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: So maybe because you did mention the previous approval that lapsed. Mayor Stewart: Yeah. Speaker 4: Yeah. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Whether that's still going to be achievable under the current koala mapping. Yeah. Speaker 4: Look, the current new, oh sorry, the superseded scheme, the 2016, got to get used to this, allowed the acceptable solutions were up to six cabins on this site, but I'd have to say given the development that occurred next door, if someone had come forward with more than six, we would have likely supported it if they could show that it wasn't going to have any environmental
00:13:00 impacts. With the commencement of the new planning regulations and new mapping around the site for koala habitat, which happened in February, that obviously quite puts a number of constraints on this site because a lot of the site now is mapped as both priority area and koala habitat. And any development proposed in where it's mapped. Both koala priority area and koala habitat would be prohibited. The application could not be lodged. Notwithstanding, and I can send some mapping around so councillors can see, there are areas of the site that are only mapped as priority area, limited areas, where some cabins could be located on the site. And look, cabins are typically around 100 square metres, not the size of the dwelling that's proposed. So I would expect, it's difficult to know. But unless we've got some measurements on it, but probably up to six could still fit on the site because there are some exemptions under the koala habitat regulations for clearing
00:14:00 bushfire and up to 500 square metres for other matters. Mayor Stewart: So under the superseded scheme that we're looking at, they could get up to about six cabins. Speaker 4: That's the probable solution. They could come in with a performance outcome and try and suggest that they could achieve more on the site. And given what's occurred next door, I think they would have some good grounds to put that forward if they could show them, map the environmental requirements for the site. Thank you. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Okay. So that's all the questions on that one. Speaker 5: I've just got a query about the, do you know Mike? You may. Yeah, just about the body corporate and their submission in relation to whether or not they need to consent to whether it's common property or not. And if I understand correctly, you've had advice on a similar issue, but not exactly this issue previously, that said that that was a matter for the body corporate effectively and they would need to determine that it wasn't a role of the councils.
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00:15:00 Yeah. If I understand that on a regular level. Speaker 4: Yeah. So there's two things at play here. There's the body corporate community management statement and whether this proposal complies with that community management statement and requirements in there. The other aspect is whether they require owner's consent under the Planning Act. And the advice that we've had previously was whether, is a material change of use proposed of the common property? So the common property for this one is the access easement through to the site, which was always envisaged for access and obviously carried amount of traffic that was previously approved with the original development. So the thinking is that there is no need for that. There's no material change of use of the common property and so therefore, body corporates consent is not required. So that was tested on, it's not quite the same situation, but it was tested with the Beach Road Holiday Homes in court by the body corporate there, who weren't successful.
00:16:00 So I've tried to explain the difference to them between the Planning Act requirements and the body corporate requirements on different matters. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: It may be in breach of their bylaws, but there's nothing wrong with that. We can consider it. Speaker 4: Yeah. That's right. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Okay. So moving on to item two. Oh, we need to make a recommendation of that be referred to General Committee and Councillor Wagner moved that and Councillor Stewart seconded it. All in favour? And if you'd like to do so by your voice, please. Speaker 5: I just put a hand up. I thought I put a hand up online. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Oh, there you go. There she goes. Okay. So we're now up to item two, which is the report on the Climate Change Response Plan, which has also been requested to go to the General Committee because of the significance of the matter. But do we have any requests for further information or questions at this point in time?
00:17:00 Mayor Stewart: I do. Hi, Rebecca. Hi. Just in regard to talking about consultation of the community and the stakeholders, on page 53, it says the plan will be prepared in consultation with appropriate representative members of the community. And then we go... We look at sort of who that is. And in our matrix at the back, it says the high impact, high level of interest will be the... This is all fine. Yeah. We'll... Yeah. Yep. Will be the property owners in coastal hazard areas. Will they have an opportunity to be... Yeah. ...engaged specifically and part of those stakeholder reference groups? Speaker 2: Yeah. There'll be a number of consultation processes going on at around the same time. We're planning to have direct engagement with properties that are affected by coastal erosion, coastal hazards, as well as broader consultation around other climate-related impacts
00:18:00 as well. So that'll be an important part of the consultation. We'll be that direct engagement as well as other stakeholder engagement with community groups and resident groups, business associations. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: So... Is that good? Having just looked at that graph, can you come prepared on Monday to be berated about why you would think that youth between 13 and 20 have a low level of interest? Councillor Wegener: Actually, that's... Go ahead. What I picked up, I guess, is... Yeah. The community education aspect. Speaker 2: They've made it to the consultation plan and I think that's an important step, that we should make efforts to engage with them and that's why they're there. Councillor Wegener: And then I would suggest Dahlia with the eHub, work with her on that one because she seems
00:19:00 to be the most engaged in that area. Speaker 2: She's doing some great work. Mayor Stewart: I've got another question, Rebecca. In the household and communities who are the key stakeholders for targeted consultation on page 62, we've got residential tenancies, authority, aged care facilities, Peregian Beach Beach Community Association and council community development team. How did, I mean, is there room there to add additional, I mean, groups or how did that sort of group come about for households and communities? Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this was a first pass assessment of the obvious ones that came to mind in developing the project plan and the consultation plan but others will come along as we put more thinking around it and as we have that stakeholder engagement as the first part of developing up the plan that I think a lot of those groups will pop up and as we engage internally as
00:20:00 well to see what other staff are dealing with different community groups and individuals. It's not fixed is what you're saying. It's not fixed. Absolutely. Absolutely. Speaker 3: And what I would say is it's absolutely inclusive. You know, whoever needs to be engaged and wants to be engaged will be engaged. So, you know, if we need to put some statement around the report that kind of patch all around that to acknowledge that, that we could do that too. It's not supposed to be, this is in concrete and that's only in groups. You know, this is Shire-wide, community-wide, impacts everyone in some way. So, you know, we'll be looking to engage as many groups, people, you know, that we can. Right. Mayor Stewart: Because the under households of communities it would be good to, especially those people who will, you know, who are the high impact, high level of interest who have been sort of flagged here to include them in that group. Yep. Just as a note because they're the ones who I think are going to be the ones who are going to take a real interest. Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:00 Speaker 3: We can provide a further report with some amendments to that if you wanted to. Speaker 5: I think the answer, if it's flexible, we probably don't need to. Yeah. Speaker 2: I think it would be an important role of the PCG group as well that will be advising on the process to be able to assist with workshopping and inclusive arrangements around consultation as well. So, it's certainly not fixed in any way. We'll keep brainstorming that and reaching out to different areas of the community. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Thank you. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Because you might... Mayor Stewart: Surf clubs would be good to be... Sorry, Brian. Surf clubs would be very good to be involved in that too. Yeah. Speaker 2: Absolutely. Mayor Stewart: Pritchard, Noosa, Sunshine. Mm. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Yeah. Property owners in coastal hazard areas. Property owners in bushfire hazard areas. Councillor Wilkie: Mm. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Highly engaged. Highly interested. Mm. Councillor Wegener: Can I make a comment instead of a question? I didn't say you might.
00:22:00 So, this is really the first project as far as Democracy in Action, which is a programme starting for us new councillors, how it actually works with the... It's putting out the plan, then putting it up for consultation, consultation, consultation, and then coming back again. And so, this is just really the blueprint, isn't it, that you're moving forward with? Yeah. And so, yeah. So, you're forming the community groups, and you're asking which community groups would go to it. Yeah. And I find that to be just really exciting to be a part of this and actually watch it all unfold in front of us, because it is exciting to see how this works. Speaker 1: Mm. Yep. Yep. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: OK. So, would you like to move the motion that we refer it to the General Committee for further... Yep. ...discussion due to the significance? All in favour? Unanimously. It was carried. Now, the next one is a Planning Appeal, which a councillor asked to go to the General Committee as well. Is there any further information required for that one?
00:23:00 No, I'm not really aware of the reason for that. So I'm happy to move that that goes to the general committee for further consideration. All in favour? Carried unanimously. So we then go to item four, which is the development and assessment fees and charges variations for the 1st of January. So for the councillors, this is just a report on the decisions made under delegation and gives us the requests and the reasons for the decision. Is there any questions on these? Councillor Wegener: With removing the dam wall, it says there was significant environmental disturbance and were carried out without development approval. What sort of significant disturbance was there? Or was that just more water going downstream?
00:24:00 Speaker 4: I understand erosion mostly, but I might have to clarify for you, councillor Tom, if I can come back on that one. Yeah, mostly erosion is my understanding, Deputy Mayor Stockwell: but I could ask some more details from the officers. I'd just like to highlight and acknowledge the role of staff. They are giving free application to the house that was significantly damaged in the recent bridge and bushfire. I think that's a very worthwhile reason not to charge is the disaster that inflicted that community and that particular property owner. Speaker 5: Just a query for Kerri or Kim. Are you seeing an increase in the number of applications for reductions or exemptions since COVID's come in? Have there been a change in that type of thing? Speaker 4: Well, we have certainly had some people put forward requests for a reduction in fees because of COVID.
00:25:00 So I wouldn't say, you know, a handful. So not a lot. So the advice that officers have given is that, you know, that's not what council resolved when they set the fees in June and July. And that the fees are set to cover council's costs. And assessing the application. Otherwise, that cost would have to come from ratepayers. Speaker 3: We have seen a number of people take up the verilating structure charges. Speaker 4: Yeah, people are certainly doing that. Speaker 3: I'd be happy to take up that as one of the COVID response initiatives. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Okay, so would someone like to move to staff recommendation? Speaker 1: I will. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Move Councillor Stewart, second Councillor Wegener. All in favour? Carried unanimously.
00:26:00 And then we move on to the last item of business, which is the quarterly report from the Environment, Sustainability and Development Department. We may just go through these. Speaker 5: We do these reports every quarter from each of the departments. And there's one on the agenda this morning, and I think there's four this afternoon. And this format's been in place for, you know, a year and a half now. Or I'm guessing three or four years, perhaps. And in fact, there's something, I don't know if you remember, there's something that Councillor Stockwell raised in the last couple of months. You know, is this report format still working for councillors? What can be improved? So as we go through it, the things we think about, whether we can improve how we do this. The way it's structured at the moment is really about, you know, what we've done in the last three months, what we're doing now and what's coming up. But to a large extent, it's really about actions and what we're doing as opposed to outcomes and what we're achieving or, you know, whether we've got KPI trends or whether it might be.
00:27:00 And we just want to have a look at how we can improve this quarterly reporting to council to aid and keep you informed about what the organisation's up to at an operational level, but also perhaps to, well, two things. One is to look at the format about whether or not we can have a better format to make the information more readable and accessible, but also to probably understand the impact of what we're doing as opposed just to what we're doing. And, you know, that might take us into more KPIs and graphs or tie back better into what we're trying to do within our corporate operational plans and things like that. So just as we go through both today's meeting and we've got the same this afternoon, have you got any feedback on that? I think Kerry Quintini can lead that project for us just to have a look at how we can improve our report. I'm sure she's watching live online now, so she'll take any notes. But yeah, as well as the content today, just think about the format and how we can move out. Okay. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: So I'll just read them and just if you can indicate if you'd like any further information.
00:28:00 So COVID-19 Businesses Support Response, Noosa Plan 2020, Tourism Noosa Collaboration, Kabi Kabi Engagement. Right. Councillor Wegener: On the next quarter, it says on the very bottom, working with Kabi Kabi on cultural training for Noosa staff. What is the program for that? Speaker 3: So we've been talking for some time to do some updated cultural awareness training and that we would engage with Kabi Kabi to deliver that with us. So we haven't designed that program yet, Tom, but it is around cultural awareness. So it might be that we're out on site, we go through the cultural act, the requirements of reporting, those sorts of things. Speaker 5: Tom, we did something about two, three years ago. It was before your time, can I remember? Speaker 3: Yeah. It was before my time. It hasn't happened since I've been here. Speaker 5: Yeah. So about three years ago, we ran sessions. I think it was Kerry Jones came in and did sessions about Kabi Kabi history and culture
00:29:00 for Noosa staff to get them to help understand where they're coming from. That was really well received by a lot of the staff to help their understanding of local indigenous issues and history and the care of the state. These are basically councillors. Absolutely. Speaker 3: Definitely. No worries. Yep. That'd be great. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Three cups of tea. Speaker 3: Okay. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Social and community housing, and it suggests in the next quarter, you're going to hold a workshop for councillors. Is that next week or the week after? Speaker 3: That is in the next quarter, councillor Stockwell. That's true. We're very aware, and there's a lot of activity happening in this space at the moment. So very aware of this being one of the top priorities for council and for staff, actually. And the Noosa plan now sets a great framework to achieve some outcomes here. So we're very committed to try and get, trying to get that done.
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00:30:00 So we're very committed to try and get those outcomes. So I know myself and Kerry Contini will be really keen to have this session with you in the coming weeks, months, quarter. As soon as we can lock it in. Councillor Wegener: Right answer at the end. When you said staff and council. Speaker 3: Yep. Councillor Wegener: Where is the separation between the two? Speaker 3: In terms of, what do you mean by staff and council? I mean, Tom, in terms of this issue? Councillor Wegener: Yeah. Speaker 3: In terms of what you can do and what we can do? Councillor Wegener: Yeah. What you just said. When it comes to community housing. Yeah. Because I can see Brian and councillors pushing that way. Yep. And of course, probably the CEO and the top end and yourself. But would you be in the council side of that? Would you be in the staff side of that? Speaker 3: I think we're aligned on this one. Speaker 5: One of the issues the council's got addressed in social and community housing is what's
00:31:00 our role as an organisation? So you might recall really early on when we first did the inductions with the council, through that triangle, our role might be advocacy, which is not to say to the state government, you need to do X, Y, and Z, or the Commonwealth government. Well, the next one down, we might be, I'll give you some examples, might take a partnership where we might put in some resources or something and get someone else to put in some, whether it's state or Coastal Bay or wherever it might be, and do a project together. It might be that we take an absolute role with ourselves. We might be the regulator to create more social housing through the planning scheme, create opportunities for the market to fill that need. We might be a doer. We might build it and own it and operate it ourselves. We have all those different options that we have to achieve that. And the policy question for council is how deep do we want to go down that? And the further down we go there, the more resources we need to put in. And the question is whether we're then stepping into state obligations or not.
00:32:00 The question is, as we go through it, where do we sit? Do we sit as an advocate and don't take a hands-on role? Do we sit as a partner? Do we sit as a regulator? Do we sit as a doer? All of that thing. I think there's pretty strong views amongst the staff and the councillors that there is a real significant issue with social and community housing availability in Noosa and affordability. And we need to do something about it. The question we've got to work through is what's the best way to do that? What's the most effective way using community resources, which is rates, to do that? Yeah. Councillor Wegener: And last. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Okay. That sort of answers the question. I suppose if I can do it. Councillor Wegener: Yeah. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Our role from council is we have to set the policy guidance as to where we want staff to sit on that hierarchy of different interventions. Right. So that's what the workshop would do. Here's all the different options. Here's the- That's right. In front of us. Yeah. What does council think is the best thing for this community for the level of involvement, the level of investment-
00:33:00 Yeah. And the future direction in terms of partnership versus just sitting at the top versus- Yeah. Coming in to be a social housing provider? Speaker 3: There may be a role across a number of those. And council's clearly, one of the key drivers and outcomes sought in the new Noosa plan is more diverse housing, smaller housing, more affordable housing, more social and community housing. So the policy framework in terms of the planning scheme and regulation. Yeah. Is there. But as you know, just having it in a planning scheme is not going to deliver it. Yeah. So it requires a whole range of other initiatives, including partnering, advocacy, brokering arrangements, all those sorts of things to try and achieve these outcomes. Yeah. Councillor Wegener: Okay. Thank you for that. That answers my question. I was looking at the difference with the staff and council. Is it wrongly? So then with the Noosa Junction, with the social housing element, where the Coal Bolts Club was, what's happening there? Is that just kind of moving along?
00:34:00 Speaker 3: So we're in early discussions with coals around that site. Now the planning scheme's in and they've got clarity around what the vision for that site is. So they've started preparing their development approach and applications for that site. We've had a couple of meetings. So that's progressing. They will look to probably break up the site first, so do a subdivision to get some larger blocks and then look to the residential component, which we're hoping to get some community housing and smaller housing on. Speaker 5: The difference is that in the first draft and in the second draft of the planning scheme, which went to the state for final interest checks, we could mandate the level of social housing in that residential development. The state government took that out at the final stage of the check. So anything we can do now is really by negotiation rather than mandating what the requirement is on that particular site.
00:35:00 And both on that site and also at the Noosa Civic site, they were the two sites where we had specific upselling for one of the better roads in terms of capacity for residential in exchange for a requirement to have a mandate, social housing, residential development. But it said the state picked that component out, which is quite disappointing. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: And the state has actually made public briefings to the minister informing that topic. And what I found very interesting was that the briefing did not refer directly to the state interest in our planning scheme. And I think, therefore, the next time we go to negotiate with the state, we should raise that as an issue that we, as Canada, should negotiate with the state. Councilors are very unhappy about.
00:36:00 Councillor Wegener: Should we pound to the table right now? Councillor Wilkie: What are you unhappy about? Deputy Mayor Stockwell: It may not have been the only briefing, but the briefing that I had been seeing that was made public to the Minister on that issue raised issues which I believe did not raise a matter of state interest, but a value proposition of maybe the person writing the brief, but it certainly did not have a planning response, in my opinion, that was based on a state interest in planning, so a local government planning scheme. I may be wrong, but it looked like that to me. Okay, so we'll move on. Private Land Conservation Partners. Councillor Wegener: Just the website update to better inform people on the VCA plan, program.
00:37:00 There seems to be, you know, people, I have two friends, you know, that have bought big properties, and they're just, they're so excited about this, so it's exciting that I'm sure that, because I'm worthless to talk to you about it, but I try. If you go to the website, and that's really exciting that that website, because I think that there are a lot of people under the radar coming in, Speaker 3: and it's a really, it's a really positive and popular program, so the more we can communicate about it, the better. We're going to be getting some stories through to comms and Ken also, to get some more, you know, promotion out there about all the, you know, incredible work that these landholders are doing under this program. Speaker 5: You've got 18 news sign-ups in the last quarter. Yep. Yeah. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: And I note in the last quarter, we're compiling a final list of split-zone properties for incorporation in the next Planning Scheme Amendment. So that's when landowners who may not reach the benchmark for a nature refuge
00:38:00 can voluntarily offer their property to be split-zoned, so we have a planning control via a biodiversity overlay over a piece of remnant that might have high local values. That's correct. And people can still do that? Speaker 3: Yes, they can. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: So it's still open to do that before the next Planning Scheme Amendment that we may have all these people voluntarily wanting to see their nice bit of bush down the back or up the front as protected for its biodiversity significance. Speaker 3: Yeah, the split-zoning now forms one of our suite of offers, I guess, around protection. So Dave Burra is definitely, you know, providing that opportunity for people, and people are opting in for it if it meets the criteria. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Very good. So we'll move on to Community Bushland Care Program. A new group around Yellowbelly for the sake of history. That was the first project that Bill Moran ever did for land care. It was the first stage of the Yellowbelly rehabilitation. Where do we go to now?
00:39:00 A Reural Ringtail Project. Speaker 5: Anything more to update from us there? We've got a meeting with the Transition Committee next week. Next week, yeah. Can't think of something? Yeah. In the next two weeks. So that's coming up. So we'll get all the parties together and talk about how that's progressing. I think I reported last month that the amazing thing for me is that the regrowth out there is exceeding all expectations. Councillor Wegener: With the Euro Ringtail Koala Survey, I know that the Bias Beer did that work a while ago. I think they're still putting... I think they're still putting together the final report on that, the meeting of everybody, of all the different stakeholders with the koalas. Are you using that or looking at that? Speaker 5: Yeah, Peter Milne, who's the Environment Officer, who's managing this, is aware of that work and was actually involved in part of that vision. So he's using that as part of the baseline for it. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: And from memory, that's going to be drone-based,
00:40:00 using bridge technology or some sort of spectrum analysis to identify where the koalas are. Speaker 3: That's correct, yep. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Very efficient way to do it. Okay, so the next is Pest Management Plan. Okay. Got a new one. Mexican Bean Tree in Pomona. Is that where the mariachi is playing the music? What is it? Well, we'll talk about that later. Mexican Bean Tree. Environmental Grants. Noosa River Plan. Mayor Stewart: I've got a question about that one. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Yeah. Mayor Stewart: With the Kim Under current priorities, developing a term of reference for stakeholder engagement group, are we engaging further with additional groups in regard to that stakeholder reference group, additional stakeholders, who may not have had the opportunity sort of around December, January to... Speaker 3: Oh, sorry, yes. In terms of the next, completing the plan?
00:41:00 Yes. Yes, we are. Yes, so we're reconnecting with all the submitters, users of the river, commercial. Yes, we are in finalising the plan. That final, that terms of reference for the stakeholder group hasn't been final yet. Yeah. But yes, the intention is to do that before we finish the river plan. Okay, thanks. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Okay. The Nature Conservancy Partnership, bring back the fish. Mayor Stewart: I've got a question too. Kim. Kim, where are we with the permits on that? Speaker 3: I'd have to come back to you on that to get the latest about where we are. The technical advisory group meet again, I think, next Thursday. Yeah. So on the agenda for that is, high on the agenda is the permits and the approvals process. The last report I had, which was during the last council meeting we had discussing the project implementation,
00:42:00 implementation plan was that each of the agencies that outlined the technical work and reports that were required to be submitted before formally submitting for the approvals. So we're in the process that TNC are in the process of preparing all those technical reports. That's the last information I got, but that was a couple of weeks ago, so I can get a bit of an update. Thank you. But I suspect that the technical reference group, the tag, we'll be talking about it in the next meeting, based on the draft agenda I've seen. Mayor Stewart: The stakeholder group that we've initiated, have we got people for that yet, or is Craig still talking to? No, yeah, not yet, but that's still in development. Yeah, okay. Councillor Wegener: Can we make recommendations from council? Can anybody make recommendations for people for that group? Speaker 3: Sure, you can refer names on, absolutely, if you want people to be considered in that group. That, yeah, there'll be a process around that, but you can provide names, Tom, no worries. Councillor Wegener: And isn't the CEO, isn't Brad going to do that?
00:43:00 Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's an important one. Yeah. Speaker 3: It is. Councillor Wegener: How many people will be on that group, do you think? Speaker 3: I think we talked about, yeah, I think in the report said five to seven. Yeah. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Okay, Bushland Reserve Management. Speaker 3: Sorry, the peer review, the independent scientific review of the project implementation plan is underway. Yep. So. Who's doing that? Oh gee, you're going to ask me that, Tom. Sorry, I can't, I can't. A scientist? Yes. It is. It is a scientist, Experian, her, and I'm sorry, I don't have the name at hand, but I could provide you that. Speaker 5: Not Rachel Everhart? Speaker 3: Don't start with her, could be. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Okay, so we've got Bushland Reserve Management, Noosa Trial Network, is there anything else we can do? Councillor Wegener: I guess we're just enjoying asking questions. Wait till we get to the hard questions, yeah.
00:44:00 And the Community Reference Group for the delivery, is that? The next, the next step is to develop a Community Reference Group. Yeah. Yeah. That's another one of those reference groups. Speaker 3: It is, yeah, we are in the process of doing a planning with Tourism Noosa, a hinterland road show around a range of initiatives, and this project's one of, one of them, so as part of that, we'll be kind of scouting around, you know, interest in, in being part of the Community Reference Group as well. There's clearly a high level of interest in this Trails Master Plan, and the Master Plan process was, engaged a lot of people in a lot of groups, so, yeah, there's, there's, there's, there's quite a few people interested in being part of, part of that group, which hasn't been finalised yet, Tom. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Can I, I suggest, one thing I noted there was, it probably should, should sit under the purview of the Cycle and Walking Strategy Reference Group too, to, to actually embed the community, helping to select the right community members as well.
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00:45:00 Speaker 3: For sure, they're working, we're, we've been working with, you know, a team on it, yeah, yeah. Speaker 5: Just on that, I, I suspect that what I call the rivers of gold, which are coming out of the state and federal governments aren't going to last, you know, over the next, maybe two years at most, and this is one where if we can get some funding in that period, it'll be gold, so the tricky thing is converting that into a, you know, shuttle ready project, so to speak, we had to do it in a bit of a hurry to get that first one from, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the Speaker 3: Yeah, that's definitely the intention, because there's a, there's a wide range of opportunities in that master plan, and this group will need to help us kind of bring it down to the next level and help prioritise those, but yes, you're right, Brett, that we weren't successful in the tourism,
00:46:00 infrastructure funding, unfortunately, so there's currently, you know, the master plan's not funded, so we'll just continue to, to, to work on developing it, and for opportunities. Councillor Wegener: Developing it is, you want to, you want to push it through, but at the same time, you want to get active community engagement, and so those, and then, as you said, the more community engagement there is, when you go to the state, the higher probability of getting funding is wrong. So that, that, that's an interesting equation, isn't it? Like, that's time. Yeah, it's, it's time, it's effort, it's a lot of people sitting around taking notes, and then, you know, raising issues, and of course, no, few, few people would agree, you know, 100% on anything, so it's a matter of getting, the majority of, of a view of a particular group, or.
00:47:00 Speaker 3: The, the purpose of the community is this, of the, sort of, stakeholder group for the Trails Master Plan is really to, to take the master plan concepts and ideas to another level, you know, they need, they need to be taken, so some of them are ideas, you know, a new route between Tewantin and Lake Macdonald, you know, that needs unpacking, where, what does that look like, what sort of facilities, who does it service, is it, is it walkers, runners, trail bikers, horses, you know, all of use the Trail and, and understand the network. Yeah. And there's a. Yeah. Peep, people and, and groups to help, sort of, unpack some of those higher-level opportunities. Yeah. So that's what this group's about. This is, this group's not, you know, to redo the Master Plan, Yeah. look at a range. Yeah. Because the Master Plan's pretty comprehensive. Yeah. In terms of the whole network, it's definitely about going, okay, well, what does that new trail look like? Or if we're going to do the upgrade to Pomona and Cooran, to what level and to what facilities and, you know, what cultural opportunities are there?
00:48:00 You know, where are some stop points and some shade points? You know, those sorts of things based on who uses the network. So it's really about the finer ground detail to get each of those projects to a shovel ready so that we are ready to go and then get the funding. Councillor Wegener: There's a lot of vision, the more clear vision, the better for what it actually is going to look like. Speaker 3: Absolutely. Councillor Wegener: And then it seems that the people that will be mostly using it, as far as numbers go, are actually visitors coming in. Is there national bike clubs or, you know, Brisbane bike clubs? Deputy Mayor Stockwell: I challenge that. I think you'll find that there's an extraordinary number of residents who use the trails both for biking, course riding and walking. In fact, our sport and active recreation strategy showed that I think it's number one in terms of the survey they did in terms of outdoor recreation.
00:49:00 Really? Yeah, and very different to the national and Queensland figures locally is the people who are using our trails for walking and bike riding. So, yeah, there are a lot of people who come, you know. Yeah. I'm guessing over 100,000 people a year these days in the Waroi trails. Yeah. Yeah. 70,000 a couple of years ago. Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be correct. One of the objectives of the master plan is to increase, you know, the appeal of the hinterland opportunities for tourists. So, you know, that's why working in partnership with Tourism News was really important for this. You know, so people are aware of the incredible asset that's out there. Yeah. And... Speaker 5: I think that was in brief. You've probably got to look at two things. One is how do you get visitors and then how do you convert that into economic benefit into the Pomonas and the... Speaker 3: Yeah, into the towns. Speaker 5: And the second is what's the overall prioritisation of what's in the master plan? Yeah. Because, you know, there's a lot in there. You're not going to be able to do it all at once.
00:50:00 You know, you do the Pomona to Cooran first and you do Lake Dom to Pomona second. How do you sort of work out what would be the logical development sequence in terms of achieving that overall plan and getting the value of the money? So that's probably the other element of that group. Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: When you get the high-class trails, it might be overnight or even a good long one day one. Like in the recent opening, there was one down in Tasmania. Then the micro-scale businesses start up, which they're giving you the ride to the... They live to the top of the hill. They're meeting you halfway for lunch with a load of gourmet food. They're picking up the end where you get the oysters and the wine. Speaker 4: Stay there. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: It's all very healthy. Or, you know, the Alps to Ocean in New Zealand where it's a seven or six day ride and you're linking up the bed and breakfast. You're seeing whole old towns where the pub was closed for a decade reopening and having modern restaurants and accommodation upstairs all as a result of people wanting to go on these long rides, whether it's downhill mountain biking or just gravel road riding or whatever.
00:51:00 Councillor Wegener: That's very exciting. But the parking, because Grant, you brought that up. We were talking about that, you know, with Brian O'Connor staying, you know, in front of the... Speaker 4: Mount Cooroy, Pomona? Councillor Wegener: Yeah, in the parking situation. And they're in Pomona. And we were saying, you know, what about for the Majestic Theatre, you know, that area for the bikers? But I think that parking is obviously a big deal. But that's for the community to talk about, not us. Speaker 3: Yeah, they're the sorts of things that need to be looked at. The facilities there at Trailhead, you know, and parking, all of those things. Toilets. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: I had a thought, actually, just before, in terms of Brett talking about being prepared for shovel reading. And one is for the big picture stuff, for the enhancement of the trail to become a destination or an experience of national standard. The other one we know is correct is that many of these were slashed as horse trails come rough walking tracks. And they're not fit for purpose at all.
00:52:00 And so I'm thinking that what might be useful is actually having to think, a crowdsourcing type citizen science project of developing a template to record sections of the track. You might say this section is steep, it's starting to erode here, it might have a dangerous corner or whatever. And actually have an online citizen science audit program. Speaker 5: That was actually part of the master plan that did that. Yeah, there's lots of information. But that would have been two years or more ago, I think it is. Speaker 3: Yeah, probably about 18 months ago. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: But yeah, it might be something to build on then, right? Yeah, I've put some stuff in there. Speaker 3: I did too, yeah. Yeah, there's so much, there's a wealth of information that's been put into that. But yeah, to keep that current and keep that going. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: And yeah, so like, you know, if we do have, like I know we did put some, I think we did have some money in the first round of stimulus package projects, which was about the Noosa Trail upgrade or had the opportunity to be applied to some of the Noosa Trail.
00:53:00 No? Or was that just one of the suggestions to the environmental stuff? It was. Mayor Stewart: It's not funded. Okay. Councillor Stockwell, can I go back to, I think I missed one, just the fuel reduction 2021 program. It was just about the Noosa Trail. In Bush Lane Reserve Management? Yeah, sorry, I missed it at the top of the page there. Kim, where are we at with all of that? Speaker 3: There's actually a report coming to the General Committee providing a thorough update on the fire management plan. So you'll get that next week. Terrific. Claire, a whole lot of detail in that. Thank you. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Okay. Coastal Hazards Adaptation Plan. Polar Shore Climate Change Adaptation Plan. Business as Usual Activities. Local Economic Plan. Councillor Wegener: The COVID Safe Business Support and Monitoring. You know, what Tourism News did, would propose to do with mostly, I think, the hastings through businesses,
00:54:00 but for all the tourist businesses, especially the restaurants, they had that guy from Sunshine Beach, the absolute expert. Dr. Ian Norton. Dr. Ian Norton. Yeah, Dr. Ian. How did that go? Speaker 3: Oh, I think that went fantastically. Did that go good? Yeah, really well. Really well attended. Yeah, they've developed a whole range of resources and videos, little snippet videos of, you know, how to clean a table in a restaurant or how to manage a reception area. So, and they're sharing all of those resources. They've got little flashcards and some tips. Yeah, they're great flashcards. It went, yeah, it's been really successful. Speaker 5: And we also had environmental health officers door-to-door knocking to provide follow-up and doing what they can to support on the ground as well, so they walk through every precinct, visit every shop. Councillor Wegener: Well, isn't that great? That's so, but again, Noosa is so proactive in that way, I mean, just really taking it on, even though people say, oh, you know, there's not going to be a second wave, we've got this covered, you know, now, and all of a sudden, because of that actions, we're probably ahead of the game, so if anybody says, all these two girls at the Civic, you know, COVID is going to be rampant here, we can actually pull back and say, well, no, this is the program, it's already been in place
00:55:00 and we've got the world's best guy, Ian, leading the charge for this, and he's on the pay, you know, obviously he's been paid, I think that that was part of one of the issues was, oh, we're going to pay him. Speaker 3: The business association's paid for that. Councillor Wegener: Yeah, not us, but yeah. Well, isn't that great? Okay, I just wanted to, in case anybody's watching. Speaker 5: I think one of the most interesting things, in my mind, over the last couple of weeks, has been the positive attitude of our local businesses and how we've sort of, the mindset has moved a little bit. If I go back a couple of months, it was very much the message to council was, help us with education, help us with support, help us with information, all that sort of stuff, and take, you know, put the stick away, we're here to help, and that sort of flowed through into parking, into health issues.
00:56:00 Over the last couple of weeks, the businesses realise, and particularly the good businesses realise, that if someone is a business and they're not performing well, they'll let everyone else down. They've actually said to council, you might need to get the stick out for those that aren't doing the right thing, and make sure that not everyone is affected then. Make sure that people who aren't taking it seriously do take it seriously, otherwise we're all affected. And that's been one of the really interesting mind shifts we've had over the last couple of weeks, and it's the right one, by the way. Councillor Wegener: Yeah, because it is the weakest link of the chain. Correct, yeah. Speaker 5: People realise that. Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think the business round table has been just crucial in that, and the way the business associations have been, have engaged in that, and, you know, generously shared information and resources and issues, and, you know, I think that's been a really fabulous process. Councillor Wegener: Wonderful. So the first one to implement a business round table situation like that, I read that someplace.
00:57:00 Speaker 3: Well, that's the feedback we've got from various sort of state departments, because we engage every level of government at our round table from day one. So we had representatives from federal government through the Regional Development Australia group. We had two state representatives there, including the current Small Business Commissioner, Marie Adshed. She's been there from day one. And, of course, Sandy Bolton and Claire. So we had every level of government there. So from early on in the piece, where the businesses were sort of navigating the regulation, the changing government requirements, there was a direct line to state and federal government for them at the table, and that was incredibly helpful. And the state and federal representatives have said that that influenced policy and actions coming from both states. So, you know, I think it's from an advocacy perspective, and information sharing was, you know, had the right people at the table.
00:58:00 Councillor Wegener: That sounds like a good article for the local government newspaper, Brad, if you can imagine. That's the kind of thing, that little newspaper that we get, you know, talks about. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Business support and development. Is there any more there? Industry and sector development. Okay. Communications and marketing program, leadership and strategy program, business as usual, development assessment. Speaker 5: What's been the change in application numbers? Did we get a burst just before, a burst just after, or what happened? Speaker 3: We did, yeah. Yeah, so we got the Thursday night before the planning scheme came in, we got a little spike in applications, you know, maybe a dozen.
00:59:00 Yeah. And then Friday morning, we got a number of applications, too, of people waiting for things, particularly like the dwelling bonus provisions, you know, where it allows them to get another dwelling on their site or something because of the small. So, yeah, a little run at the end and a little burst. So, yeah, a little run at the end and a little burst afterwards. Okay. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Auditing program for advertising devices. So, continue it. So, we've put the temporary hold. We're going back to recommencing the audit in the next quarter, is that what we? Speaker 3: Look, we're still providing advice out there, but taking a pretty soft approach, to be honest, Brian, in the current environment. And I think we will continue that. Speaker 5: What would be the trigger for us to revisit that soft approach?
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01:00:00 Speaker 3: Look, I think we're, you know, when we've got a really good sense that, you know, people, you know, all businesses are reopened and, you know, people we're needing using extra signage and things like that to say we're back in business or we're doing something different to what we were doing before in response to COVID and all something news popped up or we've diversified or something. So, you know, we absolutely allowed some. A whole lot of flexibility around that. But, you know, again, if there's new signage, like we've got new applications, we are requiring compliance. But it's, I guess it's just the timeframe to give people the opportunity to change their signage if they have to over the next, you know, we've probably said till the end of the year. But we'll revisit that in the context of where the economy's at and where. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: At the meet. Where we, we've done some compliance action just before the audit.
01:01:00 Speaker 3: Yep. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: And immediately across, this was a group and immediately across the road is some others which are probably not, they're old, but they're probably also suitable for compliance action. Yeah. And he was saying, well, how come, how come we have to do it and they don't? And that's, that's the only thing that I was thinking of. We have to be seen. And I think most people understand we're trying to, um, uh, help businesses through a very difficult time. Yeah. Speaker 3: We just have to be careful. That's it. And, you know, where there, if there are health and safety concerns, like signs are in places where people can trip and things like that, we're dealing with those, you know, so. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Well, good. Um, plumbing and building audit educational programs, swimming pool immersions, compliance approvals, council and community. The electronic plumbing application project, the end. Speaker 5: All good? Well, before we close, can you give back to the councillors about the format of the report? This is where we've got some time here. What do people think?
01:02:00 Is this, is the information useful? Is the format exactly better? Um, what works for you and what doesn't? Mayor Stewart: I think, yeah, I think the format's good. Um, I wouldn't mind some KPIs and also this is where we should be. I said to just like, almost like a timeframe or we're behind here. Um, you know, I think capital infrastructure, some of their things they have, you know, across, behind time, ahead of time. So maybe in regard to that, if we're on track time wise, that would be helpful as well. And maybe some KPIs. Speaker 5: I remember, um, the chair of our audit committee, Scott Williams once said to me in an audit committee, he said, Brett, there's nothing interesting in good news. All the interesting stuff's in the bad news. Yeah, so we can play for someone, yeah. And that's true, you know, we tend to probably put up stuff that shows that good luck. You know, what, where's the value added for the council? So we've got a problem here, how can we solve it? That type of thing. Speaker 3: We need to think about how that reports with our operational plan, reporting quarterly, because that does that, behind schedule, on track and on, so it's about how we'll bring those together. Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:03:00 Deputy Mayor Stockwell: I'm still strongly of the view that this is far too operational, um, that I want to know what did we say we were going to achieve, when did we say we were going to achieve it, and are we on a path to get to there. Um, so I think it should be very much we go and look through all our strategies and plans and say what are the outcomes, what are our activities and processes heading there, is the way we're currently doing it, achieving that. And so we have, to me, it's a really, I have no problem with this sort of information being available as an attachment because it's very processing, but I, for one, don't need to know that the advice that lighting towers in Tewantin Sports Complex or that the plumbing approval by Centennial Hall is not telling me whether we're doing a good job as councils providing sporting facilities for the growing, um, demographic of, say, whatever our active recreation and sports plans are, and that, to me, looks more important. Yeah. And then we have to, because this is a monthly thing, we then have to say, well, which of those are, a quarterly thing, which of those are appropriate to report on a quarterly basis.
01:04:00 Speaker 1: Yeah. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: You know. Yeah, because some of those long-term things, it's probably an annual basis. Yeah. Yeah. So you might say, here's the, here's the desired outcome, this is the impact we want to achieve this year, and, you know, are we. Speaker 3: Tracking. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Tracking. Tracking on a quarterly basis towards that, that impact. Speaker 3: Yeah. Councillor Wegener: So this is, this is a quarterly thing. Speaker 3: Yeah. Yes. Councillor Wegener: I, to be honest, I was going to actually say the exact opposite. You actually put names down so that I could start associating names and, you know, with, with what's actually happening here to get more across the, you know, who's doing what. But maybe that's not the councillor's job, maybe that's too micromanagement, but. It is a bit, Tom. Speaker 5: So. Okay. Question more is, you know, if you then want a question about something. Yeah. You can talk to Kim and she can say, well, you didn't talk to. Yeah. A little Kerry Contini or whatever it might be. So. Okay. Councillor Wegener: Maybe that's too much. But I, I like it because it gives, it just giving me more insight as to what's happening
01:05:00 here. Speaker 5: Claire, your thoughts. Yeah. Mayor Stewart: No, I think. Speaker 5: Mention that. Mayor Stewart: Yeah. Look. Speaker 5: Yeah. Mayor Stewart: I understand the value of the detail too, Tom. I mean, I think for new councillors, it is helpful to get a, there's so much, you know, there's, there's such a, a broad, you know, sort of dimensions to what council does. So it's certainly helpful in that respect. Brian, I also take on board what you're saying as well. As I said, the big thing for me would be the KPIs and, you know, what, what are we, what, why, you know, why we're doing this and, and has, and I guess that, are we on target? Are we not? Okay. And why? What do we need it? Is it community focused? What's happening? And that sort of thing. So probably including some sort of measurable. Yeah. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Efficiency, effectiveness, impact. Okay. That's good. Thank you. Speaker 4: Thank you. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: So would someone like to move the staff recommendation? Sure. Moved by Councillor Stewart, seconded by Councillor Wegener. All in favour?
01:06:00 Speaker 5: Got the hand up. Councillor Finzel. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Carried unanimously. And the meeting is closed at 10.30.