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00:00:00 Deputy Mayor Stockwell: So welcome to the August round of meetings and the planning environment committee. I'd like to pay my respects to the traditional owners of Kabi Kabi or Kabi Kabi people, their elders past, present and emerging and reflect on today where we once again been reminded of the difference between how Indigenous people have lived on this planet and in Australia for 20 to 60,000 years around these parts and managed to be sustainable yet we're seeing the latest IPCC report being released which shows that we are on a path at the moment towards significant degradation and loss of the lifestyle and environment that we know if we don't take more urgent action. So we do have to reflect on what elders did and elders looked at managing this country for the long term and so should we.
00:01:00 Okay so we move on to the agenda and the first item on the agenda is attendance and apologies I note that all are in presence and we have two observer councillors as well, Councillor Wilkie and Councillor Lorentson. So welcome all. Confirmation of minutes. Would someone Speaker 8: like to move the confirmation of minutes? Moved Councillor Finzel, seconded by Councillor Wagner. Would we like to discuss, debate and nitpick on the minutes? No. All in favour? Okay. We have no presentations, no deputations so we move on to the reports Deputy Mayor Stockwell: for consideration of the committee and the first report is a request for reimbursement of 50% of the cost of decommissioning tanks in road reserve at 34 Maple Street, Cooroy. Speaker 8: Do we have any questions or clarification? I'll start on that item. This one we were going to consider.
00:02:00 Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Yeah, well I've had it considered and I've decided not. Okay. Councillor Wegener: Kerry, it just seems like a straightforward situation where we made a promise to reimburse 50% of the cost and tanks have been taken out and now they're asking for 50% of the cost. It seems very, very simple that we honour our obligation. Speaker 4: Well, officers said they would recommend it to council. It's still a decision by council but council is not committed to that. It's only officers that are committed to make the recommendation. But I think it's a reasonable approach in that we've resolved now these tanks on the road reserve which our health department were advising that was a potential safety issue. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: So this was a historic issue in terms of in the old days many service stations have
00:03:00 had these and in your report you recall that there was sometimes Coast Council era action and then that was taken back when they realised the implications. In our Shire there's certainly a similar one in Boree Point on the Esplanade. Is there any other in the smaller towns that we know of that aren't remediated yet that would sort of guide what might happen in the future? Speaker 4: I can't think of any others. I mean this was a condition of their approval to address and I can't think of any others. Speaker 9: I can't think of any off the top of my head. I know there's some at Eumundi Noosa but I don't see them in our Shire. Speaker 8: So would someone like to move the recommendation? I move. Moved by Councillor Stewart, seconded by Councillor Wegener. All in favour? So it's unanimous. So we move on to the next item. And the next item is application for extension to currency period for a development centre
00:04:00 for the period change of use of premises for industrial, business, pipe 1 warehouse and Deputy Mayor Stockwell: operational works approval at 62 to 66 Green Street, Noosaville. Do we have any questions? And Patrick has joined us. Speaker 2: Welcome, Patrick. Thanks, Brian. Can I just make one comment? Sure. There is something that needs to be rectified in the report. And that applicant, it's picked up who the original application was for the original approval. But this change, the property seems to have changed hands and the applicant is currently APG SS9 Proprietary Limited. Just to clarify that on the front page of the report. Mayor Stewart: Okay. I've got a question. Kerry, this is the applicant that we spoke to online? Yeah. Yeah. And he really, I guess, highlighted, since COVID, the need for this kind of, you know, business. And also, I guess, the jobs, the government jobs creation and things like that. But it was really this type of business during and has been exacerbated for the need since
00:05:00 COVID. Speaker 4: Yeah. He certainly put forward a number of reasons why councils should support the extension to the currency. And they were around, you know, what's happened since COVID and self-storage. And there was a few issues that he raised for us. Just that, you know, some people are having to move out of home really quickly and not find other homes. So they're needing self-storage to put their goods. He indicated that about 70% of businesses, or sorry, that's wrong, 70 out of 350 self-storage units are being used by businesses, which was interesting. So internet type businesses, or just sort of warehousing and self-storage for businesses elsewhere. Okay. So he did raise a number of points as to why he felt council, which aren't in the report, that he felt council should consider the extension to the currency. Thank you. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: And generally, the development still consisted of a cave in you today.
00:06:00 There wouldn't be a mental refusal? Speaker 4: No. Sorry. No, no, that's not correct. Self-storage has actually been made inconsistent in the industrial zone. Oh, yeah. Under the new supply in 2020. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: But he could have applied up until last month. Speaker 4: That's right. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Yeah. Speaker 4: Or he could have made an application, you know, June 2020 and had a six year currency period. So I think given that such a short period of time, it's a reasonable extension. Okay. Councillor Finzel: Just a question around the applicants obtained an operational works approval. Can you just tell me a little bit about that? Speaker 2: So associated with the development for, say, material change of use, there'll be works which might be required on site, potentially associated with storm water, access, drainage, earthworks. And they're sort of the, I suppose, more engineering type outcomes that need to be
00:07:00 achieved on site. So they'll get the material change of use on site. They'll get the material change of use permit first. And then subsequent to that will seek the operational works approval, generally what people will do. In this instance, obviously, they got their material change of use permit and have recently made an application and been approved for the operational works elements of the development, showing an intention, I would say, to commence work in the near future. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Okay. Thank you. Speaker 8: Would someone like to move the recommendation? Move Councillor Stewart. I'll second it. All in favour? That's carried unanimously. We then move on to item three, which is material change of use, number 71 of 2021. It is an application from the Office of Food and Drink Outlet and Shop. That's 110 Pomons Creek, Noosaville. And do we have Mr Cochet in virtual presence? We have.
00:08:00 Good morning. Good morning, Will. So do we have any questions? No. Speaker 9: Is this the Thai restaurant site? Mayor Stewart: I was wondering that. Speaker 9: The natural Thai. Yeah. Councillor Lorentson: Yeah. Councillor Wegener: So they're asking for approval for what they've already been doing, which they're looking for approval, even though it wasn't meant for food operations on the site, but they started doing it anyway. Now they're turning around and saying, hey, this is working. We have this really nice outdoor dining area here. We'd like approval for this. Yeah. Speaker 4: Yeah. They've been there for some time and coming in retrospectively asking for their approval. So stepping up, getting the appropriate approval. Councillor Wegener: Yeah. Well, it seems as though food in that area, considering how many tourists there are now there and the amount of short-term stays and so forth in that area, that food is what people will be coming here to look for. So yeah. Speaker 4: Yeah. It's certainly consistent with other uses in the area, number of restaurants in the
00:09:00 area. Councillor Wegener: And they don't have any problem paying for the car park. One more car park for the use. Speaker 4: No. They have signed the infrastructure agreement, which provides for their contribution in lieu of onsite car parking, which is appropriate for that area. They can't look to... There's no room onsite to provide additional parking. And I think it's an area that we can use those contributions to further public transport facilities or provision of food. And that's all private property. Councillor Wegener: We did look on the photo from above here. They'll probably be putting chairs and tables and so forth in that area around there. Is that right? That's not public property. That's their own private property. Speaker 4: Yeah. It's private property. I think it's... And Will, you can jump in. I think it's exclusive use area over the common property for the body corporate. Is that correct?
00:10:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. It's a common area. And it's exclusive use to the subject property. Councillor Wegener: Okay. So if he wants to put tables there, he could work it out with them. Councillor Lorentson: Oh, okay. Yeah. That's right. Speaker 8: Right. Councillor Lorentson, do you have a question? Councillor Lorentson: Just a question. I don't know if you've got the answer, Kerry. But I note that the infrastructure cost for off-street parking for one car space is just over $15,000, $15,775. How does that compare to infrastructure costs for the junction? Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll have to come back to you. I can't recall. The contribution does vary throughout the Shire. And it is based on a bit of a cost analysis that's providing that sort of infrastructure in the area. So I think Hastings Street is the highest, perhaps then followed by the junction and Noosaville. Places like the Hinterland, it's a lesser fee again.
00:11:00 So it does vary. But I can provide that to councillor. Councillor Lorentson: That would be great. Thank you. Speaker 8: Any other questions? Would someone like to move the recommendation? Moved, Councillor Wegener. Seconded by Councillor Finzel. All in favour? Deputy Mayor Stockwell: That's carried unanimously. Speaker 8: So the next item is a material change of use, number 210054. The development application for the Shire. Speaker 9: That we may be able to do and have to signify on Monday. I suspect it would be very similar to the place we had last month. One would suspect that. Yeah. Speaker 8: Nothing? So would someone like to move that the matter be referred to the general meeting due to the significance of the matter? Moved, Councillor Stewart. Seconded by Councillor Finzel. All in favour?
00:12:00 Move on to the next item. The next item. I'm again. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Is a similar application. And it is for number 79. Speaker 8: A development application for a fewer change of use, short term accommodation at Fort Peel Street, Peregian Beach. We just wish to refer that one to the general committee because of the significance. Moved, Councillor Stewart. Seconded by Councillor Finzel. All in favour? We can move on. Now the next item is a material change of use. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: This is an update to infrastructure charges resolution. And it's just an update to reflect the cost index suggested by the state. Speaker 8: Is there any questions of staff in regard to that matter? Speaker 4: Sorry, Liz. I've actually come in to this meeting. Yeah, I've messaged in. Okay.
00:13:00 Thanks, Patrick. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Okay. So, we'll... We've had other staff coming for the others too. Speaker 4: So the state annually updates the charges and indexes it. So this is all that is to make sure our resolution is consistent with the state's update. Speaker 8: Does anyone want to move the recommendation? Moved by Councillor Wicke, seconder? Seconded by Stockwell. All in favour? And climate change response plan. Speaker 9: I think all the staff probably looked at the agenda and thought, there goes an hour. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Well we have got the director here, I'm sure there are some specific questions about the climate response plan. I can cover all of them.
00:14:00 Councillor Wegener: Well with this term, is this not the most important thing that we are going to look at this year, the climate change response plan? Overall, it can be shoved under the rug or let things flow through or we can really get involved in this and look hard at the plan because it really sets our identity moving forward as a Shire more than anything else has ever been. Does anybody agree with that? Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Certainly, for the long term it is the most important for new policy directions to be adopted and not the other way around. Mayor Stewart: So the point of order, are you providing expert advice on this? No, I'm sharing the media. Sharing the media. So do we have expert advice on that question? Speaker 8: So is Rebecca coming as well?
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00:15:00 Councillor Wegener: Yes. And Rebecca, is this not the most important piece of documents or what do you call a plan, the most important plan that we are going to look at this year overall setting our identity for Noosa, where we want to go, how we want to change, how we perceive ourselves, the culture we want to espouse in Noosa? Speaker 3: Absolutely. I think yesterday's release of the IPC report just actually demonstrates that and reinforces that statement absolutely.
00:16:00 Councillor Wegener: Can you give us a little rundown of what that report, is that underlined? Mayor Stewart: It's 1,300 pages, isn't it? Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a number of summaries around but basically... It's a long one. It's saying exactly what we know. We know that Australia, for example, has seen increases of 1.4 degrees increase since the industrial revolution. So we're seeing those increases in temperature, the heat waves, the droughts, the increases in sea level rises are continuing as a result of greenhouse gases. So this report or this plan to reduce Noosa's greenhouse gases and adapt to climate change is absolutely essential. Yeah. Councillor Wegener: Do you feel that what's going on in California and the western half of the United States, and I follow that very closely because of course I'm from there, that we're just stepping up, like it's a matter of time before that sort of high temperatures come across here
00:17:00 and break every, smash every record that we might be up next down this side of the world? Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what the report is basically alluding to as well, is that these temperatures are going to increase depending on how we actually control our greenhouse gas emissions at times. Councillor Wegener: And in your own personal study, you've been looking into how climate change is affecting our youth, our climate change anxiety, and that we, I feel that we owe it to our youth as council to, you know, really give far more lip service to this crisis that we're facing right now because it might be past our lifetimes and important, but it's definitely our kids. Yeah. And the next generation that's facing it down. Mayor Stewart: Absolutely. They're the ones going to deal with it. Annie, I've got a question. In regard to the, this document and its creation, was the Australian Government Climate Change Authority, which provides independent expert advice on climate change policy under the Climate Change Authority Act 2011,
00:18:00 was that, did you look, was that researched and taken into account when you were doing this? Speaker 3: Yes, it was a number of, number of documents that we actually looked at overall in terms of putting this plan together. Specific, yeah. Mayor Stewart: That specific federal government document was? Speaker 3: Every, yeah. I mean, it would have been one of the documents that I've read numerous times over putting this together and numerous other documents together as well. Mayor Stewart: Thank you. Councillor Wegener: The, the, the themes, the first theme, number one, thank you. You've put a lot of effort into is strong leadership and governance. And there's, we have lots of projects here, but could you sum up your thoughts of, you know, how, how you perceive that Council should present itself as being leaders in this space? Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly by a number of things.
00:19:00 I mean, doing what we've been doing, which is to actually get Council's own emissions under control is, is really important. And, you know, we're showing that by, you know, all the solar that we're putting on, the, the work that we're doing on the landfill to reduce the emissions. So within Council's own footprint is something that we, we really need to show and we're showing leadership for. I think the other thing is that we need to be really bold in terms of our actions that we want to go take going forward into the future to actually adapt to climate change impacts within Noosa and also to reduce, assist the community and work with the community to facilitate their own emissions reduction. So it's about, it's about basically setting that, that vision, setting and setting some strong actions and to be really bold in terms of what we're going to do to actually implement this plan. Councillor Wegener: Well, bold is a, is a word that the Mayor used during our Enneagram session, you know, with Rob Noble. That was the number one thing, you know, we want to be bold and this seems to be the, you know, the perfect situation to be bold.
00:20:00 Yeah. Speaker 9: So let's see. Yeah. Just, just, just, Councillor, just to say one thing in the report that might be of interest. It's on page 92 which is a reference to some of the regional projects that might be coming up. And in particular, what, the climate issues don't stop at boundaries. They, they do run across boundaries. So we've been successful in conjunction or in partnership with Sunshine Coast Council in attracting some funding to have a look at what we can do together across boundaries on, on this regional issue. And we've got our first executive or combined executive meetings of that afternoon actually. I'm meeting with the CEO. We're having a look at all the priorities, how that's going to flesh out. So there's some good work going on at the regional level and some real opportunities there because the government staff funding, we're looking to fund things at a regional level, not just at a individual council level. So we can use those alliances, if you like, with either Sunshine Coast Council or the
00:21:00 ATQ one to, to get some more run for the course. Councillor Wegener: I was talking with Anne Kennedy and, you know, you know, of course she's very involved, the president of ZEN and started Cleantech in the Sunshine Coast back in the, the Amalgamated Councils. And she said that, you know, of course, Anne, you're doing a critical job, but she says, you know, we really need an Anne Nolan for the public and that, that maybe this is that with this fund we could look at getting, hiring another person to get out and do your job, which you're doing with council assets and, and resources and so forth. And doing that out in the open community by pushing a little bit harder, just trying to implement zero emissions, not only as a goal, but at each step within council, as, as we suggested that the head of departments go down the list to every single purchase look at. Yeah. And, and, and. Mayor Stewart: Point of order. Is this a question or a statement? Yeah. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: So if we can stop there. So in these communities, we keep it very relaxed, standing orders.
00:22:00 It's really not appropriate to keep on calling for order. Mayor Stewart: Oh, that's the second time, Mr. Chair. I'm just wondering. Thank you for the clarification. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Yeah. So if, if you have, just, just keep it relaxed at first. Yeah. So the, in this, we tend to have broad open discussion. We ask questions and then we identify whether we want to go into a more formal debate. So if you want to disagree with me, just wait for me to finish. Mayor Stewart: No, I'm just, I'm just trying to ensure standing orders are adhered to. Mr. CEO, are points of order not used then in these committee meetings? Speaker 9: They can be, but historically they haven't been. So the, the standing orders do apply to all committee meetings, including general committee and these committees. But historically, these committees have been, as the Chair just indicated, a bit more informal or relaxed. And as we go up to the general committee, they become more formal and they, you know, the debate, the rules of debate become much more strict in terms of the standing orders and even further referred to at the council meeting. Mayor Stewart: I think it's my reflection is in the past we have used points of order in these committees. Maybe I'm incorrect on that, but I take the point.
00:23:00 Deputy Mayor Stockwell: And I'm happy, if you want to proceed, I'll make a ruling on the point of order. Mayor Stewart: No, I'm, I'm happy to proceed. Thank you. Councillor Wegener: Okay. I'll make my question shorter and more to the point. Sorry. Yeah. This is my favorite part of the week, of the month, is this because I actually get to ask questions, you know. So would it, would, do you, would it be appropriate to look into hiring a person to work with businesses to bring down emissions? As a part of, as a part of our response plan? Speaker 3: Yeah. So what Anne is referring to is that the whole of the community's emissions are, are relatively low. And that the 500,000 tonnes. And so the work that we've been doing, you know, within council to reduce our own 50,000 tonnes really needs to be replicated and to work with the community to actually address, address those emissions. So as part of this plan, you know, we'll be putting together this, a more detailed implementation plan going forward. And that will, you know, identify what we need to do and, you know, the resources that
00:24:00 we need to actually do it. So in terms of, you know, stating absolutely specifically now, I think it would be best to actually put this implementation plan together and, and then work out the resources of actually how we're going to do it. But that's certainly an option that I think should be looked at. Speaker 9: And that would be a decision for council as it looks at its, all its competing priorities through a budget process. It's a good idea, but lots of other good ideas. What are the priorities? What do we want to do? Councillor Wegener: What do we need in the, the implementation plan? Are the councillors involved in that? Speaker 9: Well, your proposal is to have a community reference group to work through that, but ultimately it'll come back to council for a year or so, even in terms of what's in that implementation plan. Speaker 10: Would allow for council to consider it ahead of the next year's budget cycle. Speaker 9: Councillor Tom, that's why the wording in recommendation D is like it is, is to finalise that to inform council's future budget process.
00:25:00 Councillor Wegener: Okay. Okay. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: So we started with some of the discussion around what the yesterday's report announced. And my, my thinking is we're about to adopt a report. Should it be informed by the latest scientific evidence? And if so, is there any liquid change in the report? So now we have new information. So for example, some of the things I look at is that the RBCC have said that the report provides new estimates of chances of crossing the border. It says that there will be a global warming level of 1.5 degrees in the next decade, and finds that unless there are immediate rapid and large scale reductions in greenhouse gas emissions, limiting warming to close to 1.5 degrees centigrade or even 2 degrees centigrade will be beyond reach. It also talks about the report projects that in the coming decade, climate change will increase in all regions. That coastal areas will see continued sea level rise through the 21st century, contributing
00:26:00 to more frequent and sustainable climate changes. It then goes on to talk about it is virtually certain the global mean scene level will continue to rise over the 21st century relative to 1995-2014 and it gives the range of different scenarios. The 2100 scenario under the SSP 5 8.5 which the State Government tells us to use suggests that 0.63 to 1.01 metres under this GHG emission scenario. Is that what we've modelled or is that an increase on what we've modelled under that scenario?
00:27:00 Perhaps what we should do is, as is important, we should refer this to Monday and perhaps seek advice. We should seek advice from staff next Monday as to any lessons from the current IPCC report and what that might have influence over in terms of changing, if there is any need to change the plan or any subordinate plans or processes as a result. Speaker 10: So the work of the IPCC underscores much of what we're doing around our climate change adaptation plan and that those climate projections have been used in our modelling for flooding and for coastal erosion and inundation. We also have other aspects of climate adaptation around bushfire risk as well, cyclones, tsunamis, a range of issues around heat risk. So all that information as it continues to become available will help inform our adaptation
00:28:00 plan going forward. Councillor Lorentson: Okay. Speaker 8: Councillor Lorentson. Councillor Lorentson: Councillor Lorentson. Councillor Lorentson. Councillor Lorentson. Councillor Lorentson.
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00:30:00 I would love to see Council focusing on improving or increasing physical health of our community. Mental health issues, isolation, stress, it's going to be exacerbated and I think it's an opportunity for Council to look at what we can do in that sport recreation and cultural just to alleviate that risk. Also I want to throw in, just as an added point, I'm talking with, presenting this when we say about community batteries. Again, I'd love to see that as part of the detailed implementation plan and something as a Council we can collaborate with State at looking at solutions and driving change to help us reach those ambitious goals.
00:31:00 Sounds great. Councillor Wegener: Thanks. And also, I was happy to say, I see with theme six, sustainable agriculture and food systems as being a complete separate part of the response plan. And it seems to me, as Amelia said, that this is important for our health, our mental health because, would you agree with that? Absolutely. And so we're going to be facilitating young farmers or farmers or anybody, permaculture groups, everybody, to get involved in farming because it's one way not only to deal with climate change, with the mental stress, but also, of course, it's part of our resilience. So Noosa, as a Council, we need to facilitate and promote resiliency. And of course, a local food supply means less carbon miles, but more importantly, it means that the food here. Did you get questions about how safe is our food supply?
00:32:00 Did that come across as a question that you came up with? I know that the local farmers that I talked to just said, oh, my God, you know, over COVID, they said, are we going to have food? That was the number one question. Speaker 3: Yeah, I think certainly since, you know, the COVID issues, people are looking much more locally and they want to buy local, they want to support locally. And so as we experience more and more impacts from climate change, the effects on growing food is going to change as well. So we have to actually make that resilience. And to provide and help our farmers to understand what the impacts of climate change are and how that's going to affect on their growing seasons. Councillor Wegener: Noosa has nearly a metre of rain every year on average, far more than most places, most agriculture areas. Do you think that we should be focusing on that asset that Noosa has that falls every year? You know, focusing, pushing that towards food resilience here because we have more rain.
00:33:00 We have, we just have really good conditions here. We're continuing to grow food. Speaker 9: One of the issues there, of course, is that the food production you need to scale and a lot of the Noosa market is very niche. You're not going to get that broad scale like you'll get in the Mary Valley or other places to the north. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Change direction a little bit in terms of your response to all the input, because that's basically what we're doing in this. We're looking at how the plan should change as a result of the community consultation. And there's a, one of the themes that I've picked up under theme two for energy efficiency and renewable energy, our response is, council continues to advocate to the state government for more stringent requirements and building standards for energy efficiency and renewable energy. And then we go over and we say, we see that UDIA seeks a balanced air sufficient, seeks a balanced sustainable approach to the urban environment,
00:34:00 which reasonably manages the effect of climate change without negatively impacting on housing affordability. The proposed climate response is online to clearly articulate how the guidelines intend to improve sustainability of resilience without damaging housing affordability. We then go on and say, council will continue to update the planning scheme with best practice measures for sustainability, as well as pursue advocacy actions to the state government, improvements to building codes, and bring about more sustainable design outcomes and consider climate risk and energy efficiency. So, within that, we have a heart of a very large problem. And that is, there is some concept that reducing the cost of development for developers affords affordable living. And the reason why the state government, in my opinion, has disallowed our planning scheme amendments to bring our planning requirements to achieve net zero emissions in the community through appropriate low or net zero energy buildings, et cetera,
00:35:00 and climate adapted buildings as a requirement rather than as a guideline, is because this is the argument that it costs more to be sustainable. It doesn't. It costs more to have really cheap designs that don't have good insulation, that aren't articulated to the right summary. That require increased heating and cooling costs. And so, to me, not only do I want a direct response to UDIA saying we want you to get up with the game, but we want to implement, as soon as we adopt this plan, action 1.1. And action 1.1 is about advocacy. And to me, I'd like on Monday to come up with some options. My view is we should actually adopt this plan and then call the ministerial forum and then invite the minister to attend with all the other local governments in southeast Queensland.
00:36:00 How we not only can be involved, but we should be going for gold. We should be saying by 2032, the Olympics will occur in the first ever net zero region for the first time. Because 2032 is about the outer limits where most the informed people are saying we've got. 2050, we've committed ourselves under the current way we're heading. We've committed ourselves to over 2 degrees. And if you look at the IPCC report about what over 2 degrees means, it is not good. In fact, most informed scientists won't communicate what they think will happen over 2 degrees because it is so bad. And in other states they're taking more action. For example, Sydney City Council has just produced a very good document called Planning for Net Zero Energy Building Performance Standards to Achieve High Performing Net Zero Energy Buildings in Greater Sydney. It's got a lot of industry involvement, development and stock land involvement. It's got a lot of information. And it goes through every type of building. It does cost benefit analysis.
00:37:00 These are the things we need the state to come up with. These are the things we need to change both process and policy and legislation is needed to remove the nonsense that says getting sustainable design is a matter for building surveyors. It's a matter for communities who want to set the right standards so that we can achieve our targets. So I think from my perspective, there's some key responses there that might not name any change in the plan, but certainly I don't think we need to wait for three months to get an implementation plan to say we need to start being louder and more effective in our action item 1.1, that's advocacy. And I think it is by let's be leaders and let's call that ministerial forum and hope the minister turns up. I don't think I have a question. Yes. You're here. Councillor Wegener: One more question. I asked Chris Bowden about measuring trees, tree growth.
00:38:00 And he said, yes, we absolutely can measure tree growth and how much, you know, how much foliage, all the elements of the growth of trees. Can we measure our, the tree growth on new set land and turn it into value via carbon credits? Because we are producing trees. We are producing enormous quantities of green and it seems that there is a value to that for the world. And we could actually translate that into a monetary value, which again, we could turn around and fund aspects of the implementation plan. Can we look into that? Speaker 10: Yes. So we have been looking into that through measuring canopy cover, tree canopy cover across our urban area and how we might be able to look to enhance that. Can you cover and then also measure it in terms of carbon drawdown potential and and also what benefits come about by reducing heat stress, heat risk in our urban areas as well.
00:39:00 So there are some tree related projects in here that have multiple co-benefits around climate adaptation as well as emissions reduction. Does that answer your question? Councillor Wegener: It does. It does in a way. I think that I would love to. I would love to see the committee to look at that and then work with Chris Bowden a little bit more and say, well, what would it cost to measure? He measures the growth of the tree. He put a band around it. It'll measure how fast the tree is growing. And the bigger the tree gets, it's a geometric curve going up as to how much carbon will take in. A little tree takes in a little bit and as it grows bigger, it takes in carbon faster as it grows bigger. So that's one of the things that the committee says that we are measuring and cashing in on. Speaker 10: So we've been looking at what methods are available for calculating emissions reduction
00:40:00 potential for the whole of our landscape. So for the whole of Noosa Shire, within our bush land reserves, national parks, and then across private properties as well, and what potential there is to have that as part of our zero emissions goals and our calculations of that. So there are a few methods out there that we can use to measure that. It's getting the one that's going to give us the answers we need to know how to best prioritise this space going forward. Mayor Stewart: Has there been some change in the IPCC in regard to modelling? So the debated RCP approach that's been replaced with five new illustrated emissions scenarios, so they're called the Shared Social Economic Pathways, SSPs. So these include factors such as technology development, economic growth, and population change. And they're saying the single biggest point to make here is that the IPCC allows for and promotes for a very low emissions scenario, also as opposed to the worst case scenario,
00:41:00 but we've had to contend with being RCP 8.5. Speaker 10: Is that correct? And we have been using RCP 8.5 for our flooding and inundation modelling, as well as the state's been using it for bushfire risk as well. We take our direction from the state when it comes to that. Mayor Stewart: I'm just asking if the IPCC, which is what we're all talking about, has changed that modelling? Speaker 10: So any changes to the modelling would follow any of these recommendations within the IPCC report. So if there's needing to be updates made to the guidelines that come through from the state around how best we model for these hazards, then we will have regard for that as part of the IPCC report. That might be part of future updates. Mayor Stewart: That might be part of the 1,300 pages. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: I do think the next Monday I'd like to request a further report that looks at the IPCC and
00:42:00 what it might or might not say about just in general terms. Speaker 9: I just flagged, that's only a couple of days to have a look at a 1,300 page report. What we've got here for us today is the document that's been out to the committee consultation for and worked on by staff for three years. So I'm just flagging whether you want to then go back and start again by looking at what ... Mayor Stewart: I think we need the most updated data. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: I think just that we're informed, and it probably is just around those scenarios, and if anything's changed. That's really all I'm looking for. Speaker 9: I've probably just flagged that we'll go and have a look at it, but I don't know how much time we'll have to be able to go through the detail of that before we have a report. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: The report we have to get out by tomorrow. There is a little short document I read this morning on, not all of it, on guidance for policy makers, and it's probably in there that they've got the key information. Mr Drake, you'd like to back up the CEO's comments?
00:43:00 Speaker 1: Yes, I would. Through you, Chair. Yeah, conscious of resources and being realistic there, and I think for me, I suggest what we're doing is reviewing in particular sections one and two of our climate change response plan, which is really around assumptions, the latest data and forecasts, and look at IPCC report at the high-level summary and go, and is there anything there that we want to update in this version? I think that's the key area. That's what I'm asking. Just at high level. And secondly, I think you've asked about the advocacy, the stake around sustainable building design, and just a position on that, where we'd fall in, whether we'd come into the implementation plan, or that we could do anything in the meantime. Are those the two items? Speaker 9: Yes. Thank you. And just recollection, in terms of the advocacy on the climate change for homes, that the reason we put that, we put that in our original draft planning scheme, which went to the state, but was knocked back by the state, and I think you're right, one of the reasons was
00:44:00 about the impact on costs, but the second reason was that they wanted a uniform approach across the state, not to have one planning scheme, have one set rules, or one next door, and not have any rules, or have different rules, or whatever it might be. So there's those two elements we'd have for the grant. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Another thing I noticed in the submissions from the community was asking us to up our targets, and you had, you know, so we were, in a number of cases, suggesting 2030, which is an Environment Strategy, and you suggested that the targets, the 2030, our existing targets from the Environment Strategy, the new targets in the Climate Change Response Plan have been set to 2026, in line with the net zero emissions target. There's a few times where you've sort of said that, which is good, and saying, okay, we're going to put the height hurdle up, you know. What was his name, Stark? And both the female and male high jumpers both broke Australian records. We want to break Australian records here too. It's part of the Olympics thing.
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00:45:00 I noticed also in the, I don't think it was there originally, the pathway to zero community emissions is now sort of a conceptual diagram, how to get there. And I noticed there's not a similar one to zero emissions for council operations. Is that something we can look forward to, you know, in the implementation plan, or a further report on the zero net emissions, the zero emissions operational policy? Speaker 9: Yeah. Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. Speaker 9: And Annie might just talk to that, back to one of the projects this year, about how Speaker 3: we keep on talking about the landfill, which we know. So we've got a couple of pieces of information that are going to feed into those pathways and what we're going to do. So once we get that information, we'll have a lot clearer, I mean, we know we have to focus on the landfill, but we'll have a lot clearer way of how we're actually going to get there. Speaker 9: Council, I can't remember the name, but the council actually funded that in its budget. If they have a look at that. Councillor Lorentson. Councillor Lorentson: Hey, Annie. Rebecca. Back to public participation and community vision.
00:46:00 The USC just recently conducted a survey for the Youth Summit. Have you factored in the results of that into this report? Because, again, people that are directly impacted, businesses, understanding communities' tolerance to risk, and whether what they, how it impacts on the community. So we've got a lot of information about how they like to prioritise adaptation resilience. I'd love youth to be involved in that conversation as well, because they are the future. And we have a very active youth advocacy group here in New Zealand. I think it's this weekend that we've been invited to listen to some serious leaders in this area, kids. So it'd be great to have the outcomes of that survey included and given some priority, I think, in this response plan. Speaker 3: Councillor Lorentson. And following on from that survey, there is a scheduled, that's the Youth Climate Summit that's scheduled currently for the 21st of August.
00:47:00 Not looking good. But absolutely. And, you know, youth being part of that community advisory group is absolutely imperative. So we get their opinions involved. Thank you. It's their future. Councillor Lorentson: Councillor Lorentson. Councillor Wegener: One more question. To the CEO. Thank you. Hello, Brett. I'm looking forward to meeting the new head of the Resource Recovery Centre, or the TIP. And he's going to be giving us direction on where we're going to go with the circular economy concerning the green waste. You know, we want to either have micro places where we put it in the OSCR, which is the smaller composting units, or the big composting unit there at the TIP. And so we'll be, we'll be getting leadership shortly on that, on that front. Good question.
00:48:00 Speaker 9: Hidden in there. Yes. Councillor Wegener: Yes. Will we be getting leadership shortly on that front? Speaker 9: Yes. We're going to get started. We had retired our long serving waste manager late last year. So we've got a very good replacement starting. I think it's either this Monday or the Monday after. He comes to us with a lot of experience in this place, particularly in the UK. But come back to me through the region from here. So he will have a lot of value in terms of the options available to council. You might recall also that we are looking to finalise our waste strategy. And we've held off doing that until we have our new manager here. So we've done a lot of work on it. But once he starts, we'll be able to finalise that, bring that to council as well. And a key component of that will be to have a look at how we can reduce our emissions at our resource recovery centre. That is our biggest single contributor to our emissions. Councillor Wegener: Yeah. It seems to me that the ultimate goal is to get the community involved as much as possible, all the way down from the top of the community to the bottom of the community into that positive
00:49:00 green waste recovery. And in the wood spoons and all the things that we've done, we've done a lot of work to do that go to the tip now, should be going into this state, into composting, local composting. And that's one way that people can feel as though they're being a part of lowering emissions in Noosa, plus creating real good soil for local farmers. The circular economy. And I'm glad that there's a whole theme here of the circular economy as well in your report and how important that is to our climate response plan and resilience. We want to breathe the feeling of resiliency amongst our residents. Is that right? That's what I think we're shooting for. Brian? Deputy Mayor Stockwell: We certainly are. And it's probably, if we have to refer to Monday, it's probably, you know, unless there's more questions we can talk about then. Okay. But since you've brought up waste and we've talked about our previous director, one thing to think about is what we expect is normal now.
00:50:00 Mr Schaefer was here when shorts and long socks was what you wore to work as a man. 40 years of service he brought along the size of the garbage bin that was common. It was 40 litres. 40 litres was what we all slived on in the 60s and early 70s. Now we have 200 litre and a 200 litre recycling and a 200 litre green waste. It's not just about how we treat waste and recycle, it's how you live better with less. And I think that's probably a good thing for the whole climate change. It's not about reducing our standard of living. It's living better with less and doing more with technology. So does someone want to refer? I'll refer. I'll refer. Because it's significant to the matter. Speaker 8: Does anyone wish to second it? Seconded by Councillor Finzel. All in favour? That's unanimous. So we move on to... Moose Trail Master Plan update. What we do when you want to stop worrying about the climate change.
00:51:00 Mayor Stewart: Annie. Thank you. Grace got a high distinction, not a distinction. High distinction. Speaker 2: You're not doing it. Mayor Stewart: My stepdaughter. Annie helped her. Speaker 8: That's good. Yeah. Mayor Stewart: For sustainability. Thank you. Speaker 8: Okay. Welcome, Peter Millen. Do we have questions on the Trail Master Plan update? Yes. Councillor Finzel: Thanks Peter for coming. We've got quite a few questions. I've been contacted with regards to this... The Trail. As you know, Peter and I have exchanged conversations and maps around this. Nikki Brand has contacted me to find clarification with regards to the maps that have been provided through the consultation. I think there's some... I think there's some evidence of concern come to me via emails from the horse riding
00:52:00 community and beyond. So I've had emails from such people as the Equithon Horse Riders, Sunny Coast Trail Horse Riders, the members and the secretary. Secretary from the Second Light Horse Regiment Wombai Troop, ATHRA, the Horse Riders Association, and the Peak Body Outdoors Queensland Executive Office. There seems to be some concern amongst the group that there will be a reduction in the use and access to the trails as the commercialisation of the trails and prioritisation of trails through this concept and decision making process is being considered. So they've approached me and asked me today to represent their group for clarification with regards to the maps. One of the maps, of course, is the trail map. It was the one sent around through emails that I have provided for us to look at today
00:53:00 to identify the sections of the trail that they feel they will no longer have access to. Secondly, clarification on the green trails and thirdly, what does the brown trails mean and how does that speak to us with regards to the legends on the map? Mayor Stewart: Sorry? The naming of the trails? Councillor Finzel: The first issue is about the access to the trails. Is that being reduced? They're seeking clarification on that. Speaker 6: So to answer that question, no. There's no reduction of trails. There's no trail closures. Excuse me, there's three trails closed at the moment because of the forestry operations. And they'll reopen at the end of the year or next year, early next year. They'll reopen at the end of the year or next year, early next year. So I'm not sure where the idea came about that trails would actually be closed because
00:54:00 that's not the case. That's misinformation. Councillor Finzel: I think perhaps not closed. Reducing access as we move forward on this concept. Speaker 6: The concern is... Well, no. It's a multi-use trail. So the green trail is all multi-use. That's horse riding, mountain bike riding and walking. So no, there's no change in that use. It's actually designed as a multi-use trail. Mayor Stewart: Okay. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: I think where I got to where the perception came that there may be something awry was in the brown where it's got additional trails, we didn't include a horse riding icon. We didn't put a walking or a cycling either. And because it's not mentioned in the report, it was a fear that something was going to happen there. Yeah. So... The short and long of it is that's the good thing. We're trying to improve it and enhance it. We're not trying to reduce its usage. Speaker 6: So the brown trails are the connecting or circuit trails or they actually branch to
00:55:00 an experience attraction. And just because they're brown in colour doesn't make them any less important. I actually like Councillor Stockwell's analogy of the core trail is more of a, like an arterial. And then you've got all these branches. Yeah. And circuits and corridors that branch off the arterial trail. So it's not that they're less important, they're just a different function. So whatever the use there is now, there's no intention to change that use. Councillor Finzel: Okay. Patricia Croft from the president of the Sunny Coast Trail Horse Riders Club forwarded to me correspondence sent to Janita Bloomfield, 26th of July, 2020, raising similar concerns I guess to be here today at this point through the consultation that there's still concerns around the mapping. In that correspondence to Tourism Noosa, there was, they believe, insufficient focus on
00:56:00 existing trail users who could be disadvantaged if they lose access to the trails or through the audit and prioritisation as the trails are sought for the emerging tourism areas. has that ever been addressed i just wonder because we've arrived here today with i'm trying to advocate for a group that feels like their voices perhaps not been really listened to Speaker 6: through this process sure and the stakeholder group at the moment is quite broad it's um you know business organizations chamber of commerce um walkers hikers mountain bike riders horse riders so um it is a broad group and and we're at the stage now that we've so what i do as a um as i convene the stakeholder groups um we workshop ideas they bring the ideas forward and then basically i turn those into a map and then present the map to the stakeholder group so
00:57:00 the next stage of the consultation process is targeted consultation so that's so this is a broad high level concept map and the purpose of the report is really to bring it to council just to um see if council is supportive of the concept really and then we can go to the next stage which is the implementation stage or assessing how we like actually developing the implementation plan and through that process that's when we actually start talking to individual groups it's too difficult to get a feel for individual needs from a lower stakeholder group that's where we go um straight to the groups um i should say that if you need communication with the stakeholder group i always put an offer for an invite to the stakeholders to give me a call for any clarification if they want to meet with me if they want to book a meeting i'm more than happy to do that and that's only happened on one occasion in the process but they are welcome to
00:58:00 Deputy Mayor Stockwell: do that okay thank you so i suppose that's your suggestion is that the core element of this report is about this new content potentially a biosphere main road trail so it's about setting up a whole Shire circuit one being hinterland one being coastal that doesn't currently exist like a lot of a lot of the hinterland one already exists the blue one there's more areas that uh will be i suppose you know linking to existing tracks but it's the first time we've had a look at this concept where in reality what we're trying to achieve you're trying to where and this is something the reference group looked at is the opportunity to have multi-day experiences patch up to a week on the trail just in the Shire so you could do the um the whole whole hinterland loop you could do the whole coastal loop you could do the whole uh combined loop and um go from bush to beach if you like that's really where we're at the core of what this update's about isn't it about
00:59:00 the sort of Shire scale network of trailers we actually took a different approach with the Speaker 6: stakeholder group so we workshopped some ideas where we identified what the key attractions experiences were across the Shire so we we kind of put the infrastructure aside and then we looked at what what would people really like to see in Noosa or what do they remember Noosa as and then we identified those key points which are numbered on the on the map and then we looked at what infrastructure would actually support the access to those points and that's how that map has evolved and it doesn't it's not always a dirt trail some of the great experiences can be made not necessarily by dirt but it might be by driving a car or it might be going on the coastal pathway or it might be you know doing some sort of other mode of transport it doesn't really matter we're trying to look at what the key attractions are
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01:00:00 Councillor Finzel: um just a question then with regards to the key attractions and the commercialization of this area through attracting tourism and the biosphere there is some concern around that the existing paths and access to those use and trails from the network will they remain open to horse riders and other people um how do you see the two working together will there be tracks closed down that people are currently using that they won't have access to especially with regards to the horse riders their concern is around the increase of push bike riding and other sorts with reference to how that could affect horses their riders and the safety of all users if we give trail five as an Speaker 6: example which is the main project i've got happening at the moment so what what the auditors do is is they look at the core trail it's that's the primary part of the project and that's a multi-use so
01:01:00 horse riders mountain bike riders walkers what sort of trail do they need is it wide enough usually they need a wider trail so in answer to your question yes for the core trial um definitely they'll be catering for the horse riders as as has been in the past for you know 20 years sort of thing um for the other trails that branch off the core trail the auditors look at those two see one of the um requests from the stakeholder group is to look at ways that we can actually utilize different zones if you like so horse riders could use this area mountain bikers use that area walkers could use another area it's to reduce those sort of conflicts and you can't actually police that like you can't have a thousand you know local laws officers out there saying you can only use certain sections of the trial but what we do is we design the trail to suit that user group so the horse riders might in this landscape area it might be preferable for horse riders
01:02:00 in this other areas it might you know narrower trails might be more suitable for mountain bike riders so um that would be the role of the auditors as they look at those those different locations yeah so it's it's about that's probably the most challenging part of this project is trying to meet the needs of all these different user groups um that all want to have a stake um in you know across the trail network i guess we probably add to that um Speaker 9: that comes from probably where i'm a frequent user of these already there are trails out there at the moment that are multi-used and been used very well and mostly done very respectfully and horse riders and mountain bikers you get off and walk past but they're already existing trails in the network which are just too narrow for horses they're single track for mountain bikes and they're not used by by horses but there's also wider tracks um you know forestry roads that are primarily used by horse riders not necessarily by mountain bikers so there's a lot of tracks out there some of them are formal some of them are informal but most of the multi-use stuff works pretty well with the current volumes the question of the future is will those volumes change and
01:03:00 what impact they will have that's something we'll need to keep an eye on and manage and i suppose Deputy Mayor Stockwell: the the core that we come against consultation is the aim is to have these major core trails to a higher standard than probably is currently being maintained at the moment so if you look at that trail five where we've got our first big project there's a section there after you come off down pot creek and head to crayon that is a time steep but also time very large boulders and i found it really interesting that the horse riders identified that as one of the the sections of most um concerns of them about improving that because it's one of the areas that i always have to get off on because you can't go to the mountain bikes because there's all these big boulders and rocks so the idea is to have a core trail stick the hinterland trail that's multi-use and up to standard and then and existing trails maintained as is but also to look at opportunities
01:04:00 for circuits and loops that might be single mode so there might be an opportunity to say in trail five to have okay if you turn right in the harder section and go here that might be a mountain bike if you go to the left and use that loop it is for horses only that sort of thing is what we're Speaker 6: looking at and i guess what we're trying to do is cater for a whole diversity of users in terms of the distance they travel as well so we've got these long linear trials which suits some some people but not others so we're looking at where we can have circuits within those areas that are maybe only one two kilometers long and they are accessed from the townships so that's one of the principles is to try and bring the trail right into the town into the villages because it's not always just about the trail it's about the other services and facilities peter that just raises another question that Councillor Finzel: was posed the camphor road car park where the horse riders currently um put their floats and
01:05:00 things like that they've raised questions uh why is that park being taken back by the main road and what's the plan to use for that i might have to refer to craig on that Speaker 5: the camper road car parks on department of transport and main roads length it always has been it was used informally but for a long period of time and that use ceased about three to four years ago that was largely the result of very persistent complaints by an adjacent resident who raised safety concerns about being horse floats out onto what's a 100 kilometer an hour stretch of road uh dtma supported those concerns so we closed it initially intermittently uh and have now closed it permanently so there's been no access to that Deputy Mayor Stockwell: site for about three years now yeah and that's also linked to i think what uh peter was saying
01:06:00 in terms of the aim is that trailhead from town uh where we start and end we can go and get a copy of that so that's part of that process is we don't necessarily want to have parking and trailheads Speaker 5: in two remote locations it is a challenge and that particular site was quite dangerous because it's one of the few 100 kilometer an hour roads in the whole shire so it wasn't a great spot um there was never a formalized agreement between council and tmr and i think they were quite surprised when the issue started to be raised that we were advertising it and using it to be quite frank so it's also a 75 Councillor Finzel: kilometer amount by car then he'll decide it um can you just answer also is that linked in with the intensification of the quarry trucks with regards to speed and the safety concerns raised Speaker 5: around that site no no it's not it was closed um about three years ago um which was certainly before i had any knowledge of quarry jobs it's never been raised as an issue uh for being there it's just simply a difficult area it doesn't have great lines of sight from where the car park
01:07:00 previously was and it's a 100 kilometer an hour road so the decision to close it had nothing to do Councillor Lorentson: with the quarry trucks thank you um peter a quick question at abate there's emergency um defibrillators located throughout the national park is that something you're looking at um doing through these trails to you know i get concerned water heat exhaustion people getting lost it is a signage adequate and whether we've got built into these trails um a phone and emergency point Speaker 6: i guess we're probably more being more reliant on people preparing themselves for the for the trial so as you say you know taking water first aid kit um you can get these portable e-purbs now that they have you know on boats the e-purbs quite sizable these are just small ones there's there's a right if you can also with your mobile phone you can download maps that you don't
01:08:00 even need mobile reception but you can still use this map this this will be on now on the information boards at each of the trail heads in the town villages um that will have all that sort of information we would recommend that users um do that i think to put it'd be difficult you know putting those sort of um radio beacons along the trail because you'd need a thousand of them basically because you don't know where people might be in trouble basically um and just signage where that's located if someone's in trouble uh do you mean like a a radio beacon that someone actually uses on on the site yeah yeah well again it's like where do you put it along the trail i guess that's that's the issue um i'd much rather uh people be a bit more independent and actually you know just just uh i guess be more prepared and this is something that people need to do
01:09:00 particularly with their maps we're finding a lot of uh you know a lot of the trail users actually don't use signage that much they're using their mobile phone a lot more than sign but i think in the remote areas we definitely need signage towards the coast with the coastal trail i don't think we necessarily need signage we've already got enough signs on the coast and i think that could be a digital digital sign trail and we've already got wayfinding type sign signage anyway which we can add to if we had to yeah yeah just coming back to Amelia's question Mayor Stewart: on page 105 so my question is going to be where we're at with the 1.61 million in our upgrade for trial five but it says the trial for the trail five upgrade project will be used as a model for upgrading the entire network we'll know that in particular signage will need to meet international trial standards and difficulty rating systems and a greater use of technology is proposed particularly in the more developed areas where there's mobile reception is there an opportunity there where we're upgrading signing signs on the trail qr codes to access online resources
01:10:00 cultural heritage and trial information is that an option to be then to say defibrillator or whatever 500 meters or i'm not sure if we're upgrading and we're using this as international standards there's an opportunity to just go that step further Speaker 6: well as part of the audit we're doing a risk assessment across the network so i think that would be captured in a risk assessment so if there's a particular location that has a history i guess of problems um or it's a likely area where we might need a dp you could certainly look at that that'll be picked up i recommend the top of that career Mayor Stewart: and just coming back to the second part how are we going in regard to the upgrade Speaker 6: it's it's going slowly because we've been putting a lot of time into the consultation into the design that sort of thing the auditors have probably completed their work or we're pretty close to completion so the audit will actually inform the actual design and works we can't rush
01:11:00 out there and do signs and then go oh actually that's that's not the right sign for the trail so we've got it we've got to get that right first um so i'd say well the next step is to get once once we've we've finalized exactly what where the trail is going because there's some sections we need to do some realignment to take out erosion hot spots whatever once we've done once we're pretty clear about the trail and we've got all the design work done we can pretty well start in in october at the trailhead trailhead facilities first we're getting the sign designs done up now the the noosa trial network sign manual was done in 2003 and it's all changed so we've now got the noosa brand and the noosa sign manual the 2019 and 2020 manuals so we have to upgrade all the signage over time anyway we have to upgrade the font the paint the color the style it all needs an upgrade
01:12:00 Councillor Finzel: and peter how did you proceed with um working with the kabi kabi people in order to put their names of the places Speaker 6: in their language along the trails yeah so we put some thought into this and because people fortunately we have a number of our towns already have kabi kabi names so that's that's fantastic but we thought we'll keep the trail numbers but we'll call the trails you know pomona to Cooran whatever because people are familiar with those names but what what would um this is something we've been talking with the stakeholder group about is possibly using all those additional circuit trails and the connecting trails um using um kabi kabi names for that so in terms of progress with the kabi people i was away at the meeting but i believe you were there craig with the um the kabi that was was presented to the kabi people as an option we could look at for the trial um it hasn't
01:13:00 progressed past that yet because we haven't finalized our the actual trial um the actual final design because we want we want to take something we can show them basically so yeah Councillor Finzel: so just coming back to the you know looking at the designs and inclusivity and you know abating everyone's fears and um you know reassuring them that everyone's space is respected um with the map that we received with the correspondence with the red crosses on there's 15 red crosses that they've raised in concern including the ringtail state forest through the lake mcdonald's the year-old forest track the cudgery loop track and part of the kin kin loop um can we refer this on to satisfy this group that the places that they um referred to that we can like talk to them we've made the offer to um reassure them that these will not be um that their access to those
01:14:00 trails won't be reduced or removed yeah there's no changes there Speaker 6: to to those particular um trials so um certainly we can do that i've already responded to those to those groups oh to all the groups all the groups yeah okay yeah i did that this morning but um i'm happy to follow up and i've also expressed an invite to the to the groups as well but i'm happy Councillor Finzel: to go and discuss that with them terrific okay thank you and i have included that map to be put Speaker 9: up in our notes today to be able to go to the minutes we've got to actually refer to it on the screen at some stage or or talk to it so okay so how do we want to proceed well if you want to get it up on the screen and we can talk to you it wasn't attached in what you emailed me it wasn't Councillor Finzel: attached okay all right we can bring it to the next one all right thank you all right well we can we can rectify that for the next meeting thank you um so
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01:15:00 moving on from that we've talked about the biosphere um we've got the rebranding that you've requested in your recommendation today is what we're looking at so rename the Noosa Trail Network to the Noosa Biosphere Registered Trail prior to this i had heard nothing in the consultation group around discussions around this registered trail concept which you're asking for us to rename adopt and note today um so i just would like some background on that so due to that last night i did read back through the noosa trail master plan which is the document that has spoken to this and again i saw no reference to noosa biosphere registered trail so i'm just trying to establish today what's that going to look like how did we arrive at that space and what's that going to look like moving forward um i note that in um
01:16:00 the general committee meeting on the 26th of the 5th 2014 it was authorised a ceo to commence implementation and transition to the proposed noosa biosphere reserve management model um so i have preempted the ceo to talk to us today about this registering of the trail mark to be used to promote what was known as the noosa trail network so one if the trail is going to use council's trademarked name will there be some sort of legal agreement signed to delineate its use i might be probably answered by giving a quick bit of Speaker 9: background intellectual property around the noosa biosphere the trademark so council owns the trademarked noosa biosphere we registered that i'm doing this from memory so around about 2014 2015 and we licensed that use of that trademark to the noosa biosphere reserve foundation
01:17:00 so they can use it for promotion websites their day-to-day use but the ownership and retention of that intellectual property remains with council so we have the right to use that or to apply it as we see fit under the original ownership of that trademark so council wishes to use that that name Councillor Finzel: in describing something that it's doing in one of its projects it's able to do so okay so if the noosa by mbrf use they used to have a whole section about the use of the trademark words in the noosa biosphere why does the replacement partnership agreement with the mbrf not include the same detail considering we want to use it now with this concept moving forward Speaker 9: i can't answer that off the top of my head what i can say is that the council has the ability to use that with the buyer to reserve trademark that we're the owner of that so we can if we want to
01:18:00 rename the noosa trial we can do that okay we have that power okay and will that mean financial return back to which group council or no no no no we own that intellectual property so we don't need to pay to use that we just have the ability to use that change okay i can add slightly to that Speaker 5: mr ceo um there were no changes in the conditions around the use of the trademark by mbrf during the recently endorsed agreement compared to that their previous one so i think that's a good point i think that's a good point so it simply allows mbrf as an organization separate to any of the discussions today to utilize that trademark uh not many pictures on council's ability to utilize the noosa Deputy Mayor Stockwell: biosphere name or the noosa biosphere trademarks and just the clarification peter the concept of a noosa biosphere trail relates not to the whole network but to those two core loops isn't it is that my understanding and i think from the memory was first raised in the pomona reference that's
01:19:00 Speaker 6: right we workshop that with the stakeholders and um we workshopped a number of ideas about how how we actually identify and name the trial and we put forward a few options like keep the name the same the same as it is um incorporate the noosa biosphere wording uh because again we went through that exercise of looking at the key attractions experience experiences of the noosa biosphere and uh the majority of the stay well all of the stakeholder group as far as i know i didn't didn't hear any dissent we're quite happy with that that name so we did go through that that process the the other um advantage of so so recommendation 13 we're basically following the recommendations of the master plan which council adopted the noosa trail master plan which council adopted well back and recommendation 13 talks about a wholesale refreshing and rebranding of the trial network and that's and that's the reason we've sort of gone down down that road the other advantage is that we already have a promotion and marketing um initiative through tourism research so we have
01:20:00 the enter the biosphere campaign promotion so it's something that's already set up and we can add add to we don't have to reinvent another platform for our marketing Councillor Lorentson: can i ask the question because i think the initiative and the rebranding is actually excellent working on the momentum that to tourism noosa's credit um they did an excellent job of putting the biosphere associating the biosphere with our branding is that something that um the biosphere is that something that we're going to be introducing to other um biosphere sort of activities not only noosa trail biosphere is it can we i don't know but can we run on that success with other um Speaker 9: good question um i don't know the answer to that i think i have to be on a case-by-case basis in
01:21:00 terms of what where they would apply um sometimes a brand if i can use that or a trademark can actually lose a bit of its freshness if you overuse it as well so you've just got to work out Deputy Mayor Stockwell: when or when you shouldn't apply it okay thank you so peter um when you're getting to report the options in trail five upgrades and you've shown a whole lot of blue i think you've got them called sub trails which is a one you're potentially looking at making circuit more loose now some of those at the moment do have restrictions on use so remember the one on keller's road um i don't think you can write anything uh going into the national park there um whereas and so that's the sort of thing we're looking at okay this might be a a walker loop whereas when you look between jam pot creek road and coals creek road there's quite a lot of loops there that um i took my son on one over the weekend and he confirmed it has a
01:22:00 high potential for mountain biking but there might be others there that as you say you separate the horses off when you're going through steep countries so the horses aren't coming up the hill when you're coming down things like that that's what we're looking at in these sort of Speaker 6: deep and loose that right yeah that's that's correct and the auditors will identify again those the zionation if you like uh now being national park of course is subject to national park consent so the audit will inform the uh i guess the recommended uses for each of those zones and then that's something we can present to national parks and basically say hey you know what do you think we've run across the stakeholder group of course but present it to national parks and then um they'll either like it or not um you know they'll be looking at their future management sort of um commitments to that sort of thing um and then a decision can be made from there Deputy Mayor Stockwell: and then like in terms of that the outdoor queensland did hold a mountain bike forum down
01:23:00 on the sunday coast in recent months and there's quite a lot of um involvement in other national parks and our larger fellow was there but there was two other national park people like down in the um the western side of the prison there where they've actively involved with the volunteer group to construct the new areas i think that's the model we can look at is not just going to a reference group but do we have volunteer groups like we have down here in b or do we have that in other areas as well um as well as the trail places and you know maybe if it is assigned to a horse riding loop is there a volunteer horse rider to help with the maintenance to try and overcome that that issue Councillor Finzel: any more comments questions oh just yeah i'd like to just thank peter and the staff because i've been um out at all the community consultations and it is exciting and um you know it's going to be a great um thing for the hinterland and all users visitors um to the region and you know residents alike so i
01:24:00 think it is exciting i think it's you know we're just going to make sure that everyone's you know happy with where we're moving but i think you've done a great job through you know making sure that the community consultation has been at a really good standard and um i think everyone who's participated in that would agree that they've been positive so thank you everyone for your input Deputy Mayor Stockwell: well that's probably going to be the most exciting thing since annie walgren was walking around on a horse 20 years ago and for the horse riders who may be listening the first part of the trail goes from harry springs up mount timbewa and down which is now trail 4 and trail 7 area we sort of called specific force called the mr trail network and we did it in a council uh ex-army jeep with no seat belts with several horse riders very long time walkers as well as the state forest people at home so there's all you know acknowledge that horse riders are one of the main drivers of trail development as well as the bushwalkers and it's only the recent interference of people on two wheels that creates more potential to manage conflict but for those who ride horses
01:25:00 are much better on that i'm now involved okay so uh someone wished to move the recommendation i Councillor Finzel: thought we were moving that forward to the next meeting oh do you want to go to the general well just to make sure we've smoothed everything over with the horse riders if everyone's happy with that just to you know so your motion is that we move to the general meeting to smooth things over thought isn't that significant just to make sure you know that all all users feel that they've been Speaker 8: you know heard in the space sure move councillor bindle or go from monday second councillor stewart all in favor thank you peter thanks for your choice thanks peter thanks peter thanks sean sean moskin joins craig and we're talking about frying pan public foreshore infrastructure Councillor Wegener: and do we have questions um i got it i'm sorry it's um i councillor wegener do you want to say
01:26:00 I have a declarable conflict of interest in this matter as a personal friend of mine, Yeska Moss, owns property near the frying pan and regularly ties her boat up to one of the jetty structures mentioned in the report. As a result of my conflict of interest, I will now leave the meeting room while the matter is considered and voted on. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Okay, so clear these questions. I'll kick off. So I appreciate the nature of the report and that there is sort of cost and benefits versus an enforcement approach versus getting it cleaned up and that's what we're trying to do. So this is probably going to set a standard for how we deal with these issues which are, you know, this isn't the only site on the river.
01:27:00 We've had structures built by nearby adjacent residents to enhance their ability to access natural areas. I suppose, is it something that we really should have a standard or a process that we start before we go off and do this in an individual area? I'm happy if anyone has anything to add. This is a pilot study. Speaker 9: Yeah. I guess just quickly. Quicker background and Sean can add to this. This has come out of the Reservoir Stakeholder Consultation Group and it's an area that I asked the Council to look at first. There are other, and again I'll get Sean to fill in the detail, there are other illegal structures that MSQ have been dealing with as well which don't tie to, if you like, Council land. But this one, because it's an estuarine, it clearly ties to Council land and falls within our valley width. So Sean, do you want to maybe add to that in terms of what the other issues are with other locations?
01:28:00 Speaker 7: Yeah. The other locations don't have the same escalation and concentration of users. So there are minor structures and by and large they don't front Council owned or Council managed offshore esplanade areas. So that's the distinguishing factor. It was also thought that the project plan we developed for this thing, the frying tank, would give us good lessons about how we positively deal with other issues in other locations. So it's almost like a prioritisation or a focus area to learn the lessons moving forward. So just to support Brett's points. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: I suppose my concern is, we've got a report that identifies as clear as there's been illegal tree clearing in marine plant areas on our land and we're saying it's going to be too hard. I don't think, to me, that's a starting point. I know it's not connected to land so it's hard to say who built the structures but I'm pretty sure we can work out who's boats they are. So for me, I do think we need a little bit of a stepwise thing that says, you know, if we approach this the same way.
01:29:00 And I'm not suggesting that we don't go down a soft educational lease cost path. I just think we should have a path that is something we'd like to do in the future. I think it's important for me that we investigate any breach in the local law and refer any illegal clearing in marine plant foreshores and or parks in the realm of authority because there could be several different options about who's responsible for that. Whether it's DPI, whether it's us, whether it's other places. I do think the next step is seek voluntary compliance and restoration from the suspected means of boat owners. I do think that's a general thing we should do, first up. We reckon you did it, how about you fix it up? I don't think it's, hey, we reckon you did it, we're going to fix it up. And then I think we have to on each case assess the likelihood of successively seeking legal recourse for uncrewed structures and clearing in a cost beneficial way. I think to me that's where we start. And if we have that in our minds, I think that's a better way to couch what we're doing.
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01:30:00 I think because otherwise, as has been pointed to me in other environments, we're seen to be passively turning a blind eye to structures in public lands. And it creates great concern to those who might spend thousands of hours volunteering trying to maintain that public land. But to me, it just needs a little step-wise approach. Speaker 9: One of the analogies for this one for me is where we've had people illegally clear what properties can prove they're used. And, you know, you look at that property and there's a house there and there's a block over the road with a council and there's nothing there and they say, well, who did it? And they go, well, we don't know. So therefore, what does council do if you have enough evidence? And you could have a pretty good, you know, intelligent guess as to who may have done it if you actually got approved in the court of law. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: And that's the difficulty here as well, is very similar knowledge. Yeah, I understand. That's what I was supposed to say, is that assess the likelihood of success. In a lot of these cases, it may be that we don't have enough evidence.
01:31:00 So I do think the first thing is ask the person who picked up what they've done. Speaker 7: Chairs, a couple of things I'd like to respond to that. Sometimes it can be quite difficult to find who the owner is because a lot of the vessels that are actually stored there actually aren't registered, nor are they required to be. So under state law. So that's the first point. The second thing is that a number of the structures may predate current planning and legislation controls. So, you know, to say that whether the structure was in breach of the Planning Act or the planning scheme at the time might be actually very difficult to prove as well. And also the adjacent landholders, you know, there might have been a changeover of landholders and they've assumed ownership or management of the gin, but they actually didn't construct it. So, and I think also the other point is about the multi-agency jurisdiction. We've got Council who are responsible for the structures and the vessel storage above High Tide. And then below High Tide, you've got multi-agency jurisdiction between Department of Agriculture, Fisheries, Department of Resources and possibly Department of Environment and Science.
01:32:00 And trying to corral them into who's actually going to take responsibility and take action is going to be difficult at this least. I think the final thing I just want to point out is that our stakeholders on the Noosa River State Advisory Committee are a bit concerned about the landholders themselves removing the structures because they actually create a lot more damage to the marine plants. So they would like it to seem to be managed as a properly managed state of affairs with the appropriate qualifications. It could be that the rehabilitation, once we get into the detailed project plan, is actually just by closing the areas off. Removing loose structures and let nature take its course. And so it could be quite a simple approach. I suppose in summary though that some of those questions about legal recourse and setting a principle for the other areas, we could include that in the terms of reference for the project plan to say that as part of the project plan we'll also consider multi-agency involvement, you know, sending off obvious breaches off to agencies for actions, consideration
01:33:00 of legal recourse. So that provides us with a document which we could then use as a flow chart for other locations. That would be good. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Because, yeah, obviously in your thinking you've already gone through all this, but in the report it didn't come out that clearly. And to me it's just that. It's a good point. You know, the special counsel for the community and everyone knows that there's police, there's some people who think this is really important. So incorporate that in the project plan. Speaker 7: I think that would be. Because I see exactly your point about setting a precedent and a road map for other locations. And I agree that would be excellent to include in the terms of reference. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: If you all had to then just do that as part of operational work, so I don't need to do any more. Speaker 7: Yeah. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Other questions? Councillor Finzel: Is this a, is the report like a recommendation back from the advisory group to what is needed to be done? Speaker 7: Yeah. Their recommendation is probably simpler. They want council to take action. And I've finessed that into a first report to council that acknowledges the issue. And then six letters sent out to the landowners that council is aware of the issue and council's
01:34:00 planning towards refurbishing or rehabilitating the area. And thirdly, that we'll prepare a detailed project plan, which I'll go back to NSERAC members, because some of them have valuable expertise about the rehabilitation. We can expect to the, and I'm thinking ahead, I haven't engaged with any of the landholders there. And this is referenced in the report that some of the owners may seek for communal facilities, like a port boat or call out area or a public jetty. And that's going to be quite interesting if we get into those sorts of discussions, when you look at the restrictions of the fish habitat area in that location. Yeah. Councillor Finzel: Okay. I also note that with this project plan for the clean up, there needs to be a budget for further consideration of council. So we're just moving, and how does that work? Like this is a- Speaker 7: Sorry. Councillor Finzel: The advisory, I'm just trying to get this right. So the advisory group has put a recommendation to us.
01:35:00 We've just read it in this report with no workshops or anything prior. And you're now also with, I've read in the report, we also need budget allocation. Okay. So how does that process work? Speaker 7: So in my head, and talking to the CEO, is that we'd prepare a project plan and estimates of costs. And we'd plan, possibly we might be over a three year timeframe. We'd also try and indicate whether there's any grant funding available. That would need to come back to council for consideration as part of its annual planning and budgeting process for next financial year. The report is not proposing a specific financial investment for this financial year. Councillor Finzel: But at some financial year, we'll be seeking funding from council to deliver this clean up project. Speaker 7: Yeah. If there's not grant funding or other funding available. Councillor Finzel: So just another question with regards to what Councillor Stockwell said, following that
01:36:00 part of how we notify everyone. I noticed that on page 111 of the council report, there was a statement that said that council's trustee would need to provide owner's consent to any application made to DAF. So I imagine that's an application of DAF because you're in a fish habitat area to remove the thing. So then why aren't we going down the road? You're saying you can't get the names and numbers of the people that own the junks or whatever's blocking up the liver. It looks like council's trustee still has to provide that for the application to be made. So how are we addressing that issue? Speaker 7: So what I was suggesting, I'm sorry if it's not clear in the report, is that if any of these people who built the structures wanted to retrospectively seek approval for the structures, the first obstacle would be that council as trustee for the land would need to provide its consent to even make an application. And then in the event that they wanted council or themselves to prepare a public facility, regardless of the planning controls, council would still need to provide its consent because
01:37:00 it's actually trustee of the land. It's a primary stumbling block. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Just from recollection in fish habitat, A and B, the only jetty that's allowed is a public jetty under the same legislation. Yeah, right. Correct. Councillor Finzel: So is this trying to address jetties that people are having for private use in the long run? Speaker 7: I don't know whether I'm trying to say that. All I'm trying to say is that in the event that there was a proposal for jetties, whether private or public, council as the trustee would need to provide its consent for any planning application. That's all I'm trying to say. Councillor Finzel: So just for clarification, you raised the issue, I'm just trying to get this right, that you're concerned that if we do this clean up thing, more people will apply to build jetties, or? Speaker 7: I'm just forecasting that we might get requests for people to legitimise the private jetties. Okay. And we may also get a request for council to fund a public jetty. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Okay. And the recollection, our planning scheme doesn't support new jetties, is that correct?
01:38:00 That's correct. And our existing news river plan plus the draft river plan don't support new jetties, is that correct? That's correct, yeah. Speaker 7: There's some extracts in the report that actually outline what sort of carbon use they're planning. Speaker 8: Do we have any further? Does anyone want to move the recommendation? Move Councillor Stewart. I'm happy to second it. All in favour? Against? One against. Will it be Councillor Finzel? Speaker 9: Under our, sort of, normal processes, is it? Councillor Finzel: I just feel I don't have enough information to vote for this today. I feel there's like a big projection forward of expenditure, planning for projected, you know, more people wanting legitimisation of private jetties.
01:39:00 I think to just push this forward, I personally, in my opinion, don't have enough information. Considering the impact back to Council, we've had no workshop on this. I just, I personally can't support this recommendation today without further information. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: So, if we're happy using our flexible spending orders, we will say that we didn't move that motion. I think we're moving it now for a purpose matter. So, yeah, because of, for further information. Speaker 8: For further consideration. For further consideration. I'm happy to move that. Thank you. Thank you. All in favour? Mayor Stewart: And, Mr Chair, would that be an opportunity then at the General to move an amendment that would include potentially a workshop? Hmm. Councillor Finzel: I just think considering the group was set up to advise back to us, we've had no workshop to advise us on, you know, to drill down to further information.
01:40:00 We've just read this in the report. And my concerns are about when we're projecting Council budget, Council finding, you know, names of property owners. Like, it seems still a lot of work back to Council with us being fully informed. What does that mean in terms of expenditure? Staff's already pushed to the limit. How, you know, I think we need to be very careful of how we proceed forward with this, given the current, you know, impacts due to all sorts of things on this Council as an organisation currently. Speaker 8: Sure. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: And while you're there, can we change the meeting order so that we do item 11 now, which is about the newsroom of the State Health Advisory Committee and visit? I'll do that, yeah. Committee update? And you'd like to give a briefing on that? Speaker 5: Well, no. I was going to make a comment on Councillor Finzel's, but I don't think that's appropriate. Is that? It is. Oh. I just want... Speaker 8: You were talking about the process... Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's right. I just want to note the recommendation of the Board is to prepare a project plan inclusive of many of the details you're asking about. So it's not the intent for us to come here with a clear solution right now on exactly what the costs will be, how the budget process is.
01:41:00 It's simply to go away and develop a plan working with the existing River stakeholders and adjacent LENOs that we can bring back to Council with all those details in the future. And that would certainly outline any budget requirements that would be considered during the normal budget process against other priorities at any time. So there's no commitment to a decision-making or a budget in this report. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: I just thought we need to invite Councillor Wegener back in. Councillor Finzel: I was just thinking that. We can ask him in action. Thanks, Craig. I appreciate your comments. That's all right. Thank you. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: So Councillor Wegener, in your absence, we've dealt with that item, but we've also decided to go from item 9 to item 11, which is the Noosa River Stakeholder Advisory Committee Speaker 8: update. So do we have any further questions or queries about the process? Councillor Finzel: What page is that? Please. Speaker 9: Page 133. Thank you. Mayor, if you wanted to make any comments on all those meetings. It seems to be going pretty well.
01:42:00 Mayor Stewart: Yeah, I think it is going well. It's a shame that we're losing Angus. But I think all in all, it's a larger group, but they have formed a subcommittee, as noticed in this. And I think they're actually really working hard in their own time and meeting in their own time, apart from the meeting and getting some real, kicking some goals so that they can actually make some tangible changes and driving the issues forward. So I think it's going well. And thank you for all your hard work on that too. Speaker 9: Have a good day. Thank you. Thank you. It comes just to pull off what the Mayor said, the co-chair is the head of MSQ in Queensland, he's just resigned to take up another job, I think in Canberra, wasn't he? Speaker 7: He's been a bit discreet on that, so I've just heard of it. Speaker 9: But yeah, he's resigned to take up another role, so we'll have someone here coming in from MSQ and hopefully we don't lose any momentum because Angus has been really good in that space. He's been very positive in terms of what he thinks he'll be able to move forward through the state system.
01:43:00 Deputy Mayor Stockwell: So one of the tests of this group was whether they could hit the ground running, because it was a very diverse group, come up with some recommendations. We obviously just dealt with the report, which I presume they've highlighted as, here's a good one up front that we think needs to be going. And then I look at some of the stuff in the monitoring, anchoring and living aboards, and there's some good stuff there. So that's only a sub-committee recommendation in terms of timing of anchoring. So that's going to, if that gets accepted by MSQ, that's going to avoid that long-term issue of people just anchoring and staying there as a term of mooring, and rather than mooring. It's about keeping the current mooring as a cap, so no further of the formal mooring, but also change to eco-friendly mooring. There's probably evidence that there is seagrass loss around mooring. I know in the old days, the previous version of...
01:44:00 Healthy Land and Water, they used to run a program where they'd actually get carbon offsets by putting in those moorings, because the more seagrass you've got, the more you can get blue carbon capture. And also looking at living aboards. But that at the moment, they're just the recommendations from the sub-committee. The whole reference group hasn't come to us with those recommendations at this stage, have they? Speaker 9: No, no, this has gone through the full committee. Has it gone through the full committee? Deputy Mayor Stockwell: We've got a couple of weeks' worth of data. The gross in boats on page 135 is about 116 in the powerboat and tinnie's. Is that largely within the commercial leases, or does that not include the commercial leases? Speaker 7: It's a mixture between the commercial leases, so it does include the commercial leases,
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01:45:00 and also in particular, this award. So, if you look at the number of jetties and berths which have gone in Noosa waters since 2006, it's quite conceivable. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: So we're treating that as part of the Noosa water system? Cutting in and out from time to time? Speaker 7: It does put demand on that. It wasn't counted manually in 2006, that's why we've relied on aerial photography in 2008. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: I mean, when my son was young, one time walking over the bridge in the park, and a procession of multi-million dollar craft coming out of Noosa waters, and he said, We need one of those! Speaker 8: Yes. Okay, so other questions or queries? The other interesting one is vessel condition, and this was a recent survey. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: They said 1% of derelict and 90% in water. So there's a lot of support conditions, and so the increased focus is helping address those?
01:46:00 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there's two things in those data which is of interest. In fact, there's a few things, is that houseboats actually haven't increased in number since 2006. But I dare say the size of houseboats and also where they're anchored is actually what's creating some of the issues associated with them. Probably the next issue is about the fact that there's such significant numbers at anchor, and also in intertidal areas. And if you think about a vessel at anchor, particularly if it's unattended, it's not necessarily set up for well maintenance, it's not resilient to storms and cyclones and the like. So it presents a risk, a safety risk to other boat users, as well as anchoring being problematic to the riverbed in terms of environmental damage over that period of time. And then I think the third data set that's interesting is the growth in powerboats. So recreational use of the river. So there's that point that by freeing up these vessels at anchor,
01:47:00 which aren't on secure anchor, which are often unattended, actually frees up capacity for more casual visitation on the river by locals and by tourists who actually come in and use areas. And also supports things like sailing activities around the yacht and rowing club at the moment having to navigate a lot of vessels unattended at anchor. And it actually creates, you know, a cluttered waterway. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: And so has there been any further, a discussion about like one of the historic concerns from the Noosa Yacht and Sailing Funds about their sailing loops where the jet ski area sort of impinges on one of their key turns? Is that being under review or? Speaker 7: Yeah, so if you remember, look back in history, PWCs or jet skis are actually able to use the whole of the river. So we need to remember that the dedicated PWC area under the marine zone was a compromised situation to actually give them one area for training. So and the community accepted that at that point. Now, obviously, 15, 20 years have passed since then.
01:48:00 And there has been people querying that location. I do note that the next priority topic for the committee to look at is safety. And I know it will actually come up in that discussion. So they forecast that it will come up further in discussion about the suitability of that location. So but I think we also need to know, look back in history, about where we've come from with PWCs. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: One of the initial drivers, they came onto the scene and they were incredibly noisy two-strokes. And that's what drove some of the initial community acts for them that led to these little things. Councillor Finzel: Just a question back to finance. Under risks and opportunities in the report, you're saying essentially Maritime Safety Queensland's responsibility is around, you know, the river management. It's the MSQ responsibility. Will there be opportunity to get state funding to help remove the vessels or manage some of these project proposals?
01:49:00 Speaker 7: There already is a program called War on Wrecks that Maritime Safety Queensland have been rolling out quite successfully. And we've actually had a significant decline in the number of derelict vessels in the Noosa River over the last two years as a result of that. Technically, the vessel has to be derelict and abandoned, you know, before they can actually access that funding. I can forecast a situation where some of the owners of these very decrepit vessels, which are unmaintained on anchor, unfortunately might decide to just sink their vessel and allow others to remove it. So we need to be prepared for those situations. But thankfully, we have a funding stream through the State Government War on Wrecks program to actually deal with that. So they go through a process of tagging the vessel, trying to find the owner, noting that not all vessels are registered, many aren't. They tag it and then do public notices in the paper before they actually then proceed. I think in that report I was forecasting that Council may want to co-contribute in terms of use of its landfill disposal area and also use of its facilities
01:50:00 such as a Hilton Esplanade to get vessels out. So I think that there's opportunities for Council to co-contribute in an overall program to actually help clean up the river. And that will need to be explored a lot further in the future. Councillor Finzel: With regards to the landfill, the disposal of that with Council. Speaker 7: Recycling, I should say. The Resource Recovery Centre, I should have said. Yeah, okay. Councillor Finzel: Thanks for the clarification. I'm just like going, what jumps in the landfill? Speaker 9: Apologies for that. Let me just add to your question, Karen. The other thing that's changed on the river in the last little bit has been an on-site or on-river presence by USQ. They've got a very good officer out there actually checking all these service vessels and compliance and so on. That's made a huge difference to what's been happening and helped them also in terms of progress as well. Yeah. Speaker 7: It's fair to say that some of the issues we're experiencing on Noosa River aren't just confined to the Noosa River, they're actually statewide, particularly the issue of registration of vessels and licence of boat operators
01:51:00 is a problem across the whole state. Speaker 8: Yeah. Thank you. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: I did have a specific question. You've got the Noosa River Advisory, River Stakeholder Advisory Committee terms of reference finalised on June 23, 2021. So that's after the reference group has had a go at what we put up. Yeah. But it's not the track changes and are there any key things where they vary from what was there? Speaker 7: Yeah. The track changes was quite a mess. So... And I didn't think it actually added to... In fact, I lost track of the track changes, to be frank. So probably... And there's a list of dot points in the report that points out things that rather than just recognise environmental values, also at the forefront, recognise tourism, recreation of the river. So it's more holistic. There was also particularly clarity discussion around the subcommittee. They wanted one subcommittee to chronologically work through issues. So it requires them all to come together
01:52:00 from their diverse views. They didn't want to see sort of splintering off into various parallel subcommittees. So they were pretty firm in that commitment. So we had to work through that to make sure the terms of reference reflected it. And they also wanted clarification in terms of our conflict of interest. So there's some quite constructive things come through in terms of reference. Very good. Councillor Lorentson: Go on. Councillor Lauren. A quick question. So removal versus sinking of ships, derelict vessels that are just sitting on our river. Advantages of sinking. Doesn't a sunken vessel create its own artificial reef? And are there any potential risks or benefits in creating this artificial fish habitat? Speaker 7: Firstly, it's not something Council would encourage or MSQ. Councillor Lorentson: I was just asking a question. Speaker 7: I think it's fair to say that most of the vessels we're talking about
01:53:00 are actually plastic pontoons tied to a raft above. And they aren't actually what you would normally indicate as being like a steel hull, which are usually, or concrete hull, which are usually the type of vessels which are identified for habitat safety. The vast majority of these vessels, which are in poor or decrepit state, are of a totally different matter. And you find that they very quickly disperse and form rubbish in the waterway. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: So safety for 44 gallon drums. Speaker 7: And this is what we get to about weaknesses across the whole of the state, which MSQ are fully aware of about, you know, requirements for registration and what sorts of vessels are allowed on our waterways. And this is across this whole state, not just confined to our waterway. Speaker 8: Okay. Would someone like to move the recommendation? Moved by Councillor Wheaton. I'll second it. All in favour? Speaker 9: Item 6. Sorry. Item 10. Which is on page 114.
01:54:00 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So we invite the Director. Thank you. Thank you. Carried. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Delegated. Delegated. Delegated. Speaker 8: I think they're all delegated. There's no conflicts. Any conversations, queries? Mayor Stewart: I don't know any of these people, but 70 and 71, request, comply, superseded planning scheme at Marcus Beach and Castaways. Why are they refused? I just noted that compared to all the others that were approved. Speaker 4: I'll have to check, but I think I would suggest they don't have significant views of the coastline.
01:55:00 So whilst they're in proximity of the beach, I suggest that they don't have significant views of the coastline. So there must be, but I can go back and check for you. Mayor Stewart: Thank you. I just noticed that there were two that had been. And also, I guess, 64 as well, maybe for the same reason. And 63. And 62. Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely Voyage is placed sunrise. It doesn't have coastal views. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: So when we're saying coastal views, we're talking about an assessment, A, is under the superseded planning scheme. One of the criteria. Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's essentially the, it's been refused because we don't consider it's going to adversely impact the capital value or changes to the planning scheme.
01:56:00 And one of the criteria we're looking for in that is whether they have significant coastal views. Okay, all right. Thanks. Councillor Wegener: So there was, out of the short-term stays, five out of the 29 that were, that were applied for were refused, and so that means 24 were, were approved. Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not reflective of the full numbers. What officers are doing is when we're concluding that we're not going to support an application, it's giving the option to the applicant to withdraw the application before it's decided and receive a partial refund. So some people are taking that up. So it's, yeah, there, there are others that we're also not supporting, but they're, they're being returned, and so not necessarily reported here. Mayor Stewart: And we don't have the data either, Kerry, on whether or not these are just people protecting their land use rights and plan never to, to implement short-term accommodation. They're just using it in case at one point in time they may sell their house and it's sold with it.
01:57:00 So we don't know, I mean, I know a few, I know a few examples of people who have, you know, applied for this and said, I'll never ever use it, I'll never use it for short-term accommodation. Speaker 4: Yeah, no, we, we don't have that information. Some of them are already operating short-term accommodation, so, but they're still applying for a superseded scheme approval, not quite sure why, but there are others that are just looking to preserve their rights and give them options in the next six years, six years to commence it, yeah. Councillor Lorentson: So Kerry, just to go over what you just said, so some have already used their premise for short-term accommodation and are applying under the superseded act. My guess is just to. To submit those rights and just for certainty, so is that data available, so, or is it getting included as part of this, you know, all these applications? I think there should be separations, the ones that have already used that term accommodation in the past.
01:58:00 Yeah. And then new applications, I think the two should be, I love that data. Speaker 4: Yeah, the short answer is that the data's not available because it takes quite a bit to determine existing use rights for a property. As to whether they, you know, have, you know, they commenced that use prior to the 2020 scheme in July or not. So that's, that's not something we're trying to identify when we're assessing these applications. Some of them we're aware of and can see that they were used, but we're not, we don't have that data. Councillor Lorentson: So an approval is not necessarily a new approval. Speaker 4: Yes, that's exactly right. It's not necessarily a new one. That's right. There's a lot of, a number of the local consultants approached local real estate agents and property managers and offered to make application for all the properties on their books that they have already for short term. So they're not all new, but there are certainly some new ones.
01:59:00 But yeah, I'm sorry, I can't distinguish between them. We don't have that information. Councillor Wegener: Would the rate increase on short term accommodation? Will that, will they now be subject to this rate increase or will they, have they already been paying that because they've already been short term stays? Speaker 4: Yeah, the rate increase only applies if they actually operate the short term accommodation. So if they have been operating, they will already be, have that rate, rating category applied to them. If they aren't operating, it will only apply once they start using the property for short term accommodation. Speaker 9: So it's based on the actual use of the land, not on the potential use of the land? Councillor Wegener: What about capital gains, taxes, who did, who? Speaker 9: We're pretty good at giving advice on taxing. We draw the line on giving advice on taxing. Okay, very good, very good.
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02:00:00 Deputy Mayor Stockwell: There is a very good story. You can search up Harbourside Airbnb Sydney. It's a very cautionary tale for people on the Google platform. Speaker 8: Okay, so I want to move the recommendation, move Councillor Stewart, Councillor Finzel, all in favour? Thank you. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: And now we move on to the Planning Environment, Speaker 8: Planning and Sustainable Development Department update. And perhaps if I just read out the left-hand side one at a time. Sorry, which page, Brian? Page by page? Mayor Stewart: 150. Speaker 8: 150. 150. 150. So, page 150. Do we have any queries? No. Councillor Wegener? Councillor Wegener: How's we going with staff retention down there, you guys? Once we get through this whole short-term stage thing, do you think that we'll be able to get on track with a steady group of planners down there?
02:01:00 Speaker 1: Through you, Chair. I put this as number one because, you know, I think it's really critical that we highlight, and it's not just in my area, I think, as an organisation. And there's a lot of staff retention and attraction issues across many industries. To answer your question, Tom, I think that getting through the short-stay, the superseded timeframes and mainly short-stay applications, it will certainly help in a couple of months as that starts to, the assessments are all done, it will certainly help the volumes. I don't believe this is a short-term issue for my industry. I think it's a short-term issue for the whole area and across the organisation. I certainly think that this will be with us for a while. And we need to all be focused on it, and particularly in the high-stress areas, the regulatory areas of DA and probably building and plumbing and a few others.
02:02:00 So, yes, I can't say it's probably going to go away quickly. We need to have a strong focus and strategy on this. Speaker 9: I've got a report on Monday's general committee meeting, which just deals with my CEO's overview of the last three months, and you'll see that one of the KPIs there looks at the staff turnover rate. It's actually lower this year. It has been for a while. But if you drill down below that into some of the areas that are under pressure, you know, building, plumbing, development assessment, infrastructure, project delivery, those areas have got a huge workload, probably higher. So it's those areas that are under the pump. And that's not unique to Noosa. That's the same at every other council at the moment as well. There's a real talent war on for experienced town planners, building surveyors, project managers, because it's the same issues are washing through each council, where it's lots of building applications, lots of planning applications, lots of money coming out of the state federal government to deliver projects. So I'll talk about that a bit more on Monday. Speaker 8: Thanks.
02:03:00 Councillor Wegener: Well, there's quite a few emails going around about the short term, the laws, the finalized the local laws. What is the timeframe on us getting, what is the timeframe for the implementation? Speaker 1: Through you, Chair. We had a workshop. We've got a number of workshops. I think we had one before COVID lockdown, the week before. We've got a number of steps still to go through that need us running, but we're still aiming forward. We've got a lot of work to do before that end of year, prior to peak season, still that November timeframe to bring to council the actual adoption of the local law. It may be December at this point, but we're trying to get all this through for the December period. Councillor Wegener: And then some people have asked, they want to see the infinite pile of when people write in. Submission. Complaints.
02:04:00 Submissions. The actual submissions that were made. Is that public? Speaker 9: Normally, we wouldn't advise people's privacy. Is that what they put in? We normally protect that privacy. What we're interested in is the issue that they raised, and the issues are covered in the report that will come to council. So that's coming to council? Speaker 1: That'll be coming to council in the next round. I can report back then. The next round is it'll be coming to council. Sorry, the next. I think we're actually putting that to October. I'll take that back to confirm the timeframe. For October, then they'll be able to see. I'll confirm that. Speaker 9: What the issues are that came up. We don't identify that, you know, Mr Smith and one, Jones Street said X, Y, and Z. That's their private information. So we just identify that the issues came up were X, Y, and Z. Speaker 1: Through you, Chair. Just to clarify, yeah, so the report will, as CEO says, that it really categorized the issues raised. Obviously, there's a for and against category, but then the primary issues, whether it's, you know, the complaints process or security, et cetera, and it will categorize those responses,
02:05:00 the community responses, and then our response. What are we, have we changed, have we amended local law, we amended our guidelines, are we actually going to change the way that we communicate and educate? So that's our response. We'll come to bring that to the next report. Councillor Finzel: Just a question there with communicate what's happening and how we're moving forward. Has any consideration been given to the friendly neighbourhoods approaching to run in parallel with, you know, the local laws and in building a resilience in community around, you know, friendly neighbourhoods and building that resilience to, you know, the local laws and the local communities around the country, to be welcoming and embrace visitors to the area? Speaker 1: Through you, Chair. We have in the last workshop started to signal more around education, awareness, and, and I guess ownership. So, you know, I suppose taking ownership as a property owner or the contact person or
02:06:00 the neighbourhood. So we will flesh out much more of that education awareness. I haven't, I'm not familiar with the friendly neighbourhood program that you referred to, But in my view, that says that we all should be, I guess, taking ownership of the Airbnb short stay challenge, whether you're a provider or a visitor or a neighbour, and education and access to, I guess, guidance tools and information are critical, and we did refer to that in the last workshop, and that will certainly be part of our ongoing report around implementation and rollout. Councillor Finzel: Yeah, that'd be great. I do note, I think Sunshine Coast Council do have that up on their website. I think they'll use that as part of their tool kit. Thank you. Speaker 8: Okay. Okay. Councillor Lovenden. Councillor Lorentson: Anthony, in regards to our ministerial condition to monitor what's happening in the area of short-term accommodation, housing supply, where are we up to, and can we have a report to Council with an update,
02:07:00 given that it's now been... It's been over 12 months since we planned this rat-a-bike. Speaker 9: We had an update report in April this year, March or April. I just can't recall the exact date. I had a look at it the other day for something else, so I can dig that one out. It just went through all of those conditions and where we were up to. Councillor Lorentson: My understanding with the ministerial condition was that in 24 months, that report is complete and ready to go to State. So I'd just love to have an update. It's been 12 months, just to understand what the data and analysis of that data is so far. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: It's probably not related to the local law. It probably relates to the later item about the housing needs assessment study. No. I tend to agree that we have a snapshot, which we see in our development trial application taken as April last year.
02:08:00 I tend to agree that another snapshot before the two-year period of where we're at, in terms of the location, because we have to get a handle on not just where the new approvals are, but also the anecdotal information about how many of the ones that were mapped back April last year have been mapped back to where they were last year. So that's something to think about, whether we wait the full two years to do the next, what would be an audit of the state-led data, both from what we've proved and also what we know from digital reconnaissance. Speaker 1: So you chair, this is a lot of pieces moving around at the moment. 12 months is a very short time in COVID times. Yeah, I don't think so. We have got signed off and I think that's what we need to share is what we're actually monitoring. So Anita has put together and had approved from state government that yes, that's what we expected as part of your ministerial conditions to track change. A lot of it will align with the housing needs assessment and the report that we've all agreed to. Being realistic again, we just talked about staff, we just talked about pressures.
02:09:00 I think that to do any report and investigation at this point is another piece of work on top of the housing needs work, on top of everything else. But what I propose is that we actually update you on what we are monitoring, at what level and when will it come to you, if that's okay. Councillor Lorentson: Thanks, thank you. Councillor Wegener: Will on this one? Yeah, on this one. Question from the public. They're saying, well, you know, they've been advocating their various positions. Is the advocation kind of role done now, the public consultation, and now if they don't need to keep housing?
02:10:00 It would be overkill if they continued to send these, not harass us, but to send us emails and so forth on this because now it's locked away and the public consultation has been done. Is that correct? Speaker 9: I'll answer that. There's two parts to this. One is what I call lobbying of elected representatives. That can occur at any time. But in terms of the formal process for review of the local law and putting feedback into that. We've got all the submissions. We have a consultation period. We'll assess those and report to council. But if individuals want to lobby councillors and put their points of view forward, they can do that at any time. Speaker 1: Thank you. Through you, Chair, I think to clarify that when the report comes to council on how we're going to roll this out now, we've learned a lot through the draft local law process and submissions process, the workshops that we've had.
02:11:00 We've evolved probably the complaints and process and how that would work. And that was the critical piece. And I think that's the next step is when there's a public report that's going to be coming to council. Certainly, I think that's the time for all sides of the debate to read and digest where we are now going to propose we're at around implementation. So that's probably a few months away and prior to that December, hopefully, adoption. Thank you. Speaker 8: Okay. Type 151. Any questions? Councillor Wegener: No. The living lab and the fire, the economic development. I just highlighted that because that seems to be going really well. Speaker 1: Yeah. Through you, Chair, I think that there's a lot of work.
02:12:00 And the great thing about this living lab and the kind of sensor intelligence networks that we're starting to roll out, it's cross-council, it's cross-environment. So whether it's crazed area of natural areas or coastal erosion. I think the opportunities for the living lab to add to our decision making and monitoring is fantastic. So yeah. And the pleasing thing is that we've got economic development and the digital hub working with natural areas, disaster management. And yeah, I'd like to think that that's going really well. Councillor Finzel: I just have a question. It's being raised from some residents of Cooran. They tell me that there's like a camera mounted up at the top of Tablelands Road up in the lookout up there. And someone mentioned that it was part of that living lab project. Is that right? Speaker 1: I'd have to take that specific one on notice. Councillor Finzel: Our last property, we didn't know anything about it. But that was raised . It looks like it.
02:13:00 Deputy Mayor Stockwell: It's definitely telemetry. Yeah. I was doing something. Councillor Finzel: Yeah. Did you see it? Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Yeah. I've got a photo for you. Speaker 1: I'll just call Craig. Craig might be more . Speaker 5: I don't have an answer, but I had the same inquiry come through my desk this morning. Yeah. And I referred it on to James Elliott, who's been working with Chris Bowden. So we should have an answer for you or the resident fairly soon. Oh, terrific. I have a rough idea what it is, but I'm not certain. So I'll send it over to James. Okay. Speaker 1: Terrific. Speaker 8: All right. Thank you. I've got one on the next item, which is implementation and then organisation strategy. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: And we're talking about next quarter implementation program, investigating power purchasing opportunities for Noosa Council and potentially other instant councils now. We did have a council resolution sort of promoting this as a priority recently. Speaker 8: Has there anything happened since that time that we should be aware of? What was the power purchasing agreement?
02:14:00 Speaker 1: Through you, Chair. I can ask Annie to give us a progress update, unless Craig knows anything more than me. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: I know there was an internal project control group with the executive leadership team. I thought there was... Speaker 1: I can ask Annie to update progress on PPA. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: And then the other part of that was in that resolution, there was also a request to look at offsetting the range of the police. I know it's not in the next quarter there, but it might be something that you just didn't have a dot point for it. Remember, that was one thing on the next quarter. Which was? I can update that too. Speaker 1: Thank you, Chair. Councillor Finzel: And is Annie, is she able to give us a progress update also on that public factory that's going on for discussion around Pomona? Speaker 1: Sure. Thank you, Chair. Yes. That was mentioned earlier, wasn't it? Yeah. So we'll get the update on those three items. Councillor Finzel: Yeah. I noticed it was advertised in Carrillo Connect publication this week.
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02:15:00 Speaker 8: That would be good. Yeah. Councillor Wegener: Yeah. Craig, are you still up to date with your consultation with the hundreds of thousands of little red bats in Wallace Park? Speaker 5: Well, there's not hundreds of thousands, there's no bats in Wallace Park. Councillor Wegener: They moved on? Speaker 5: They moved on about two and a half months ago. They moved on this time last year as well. Councillor Wegener: But how about Pinneroo Park? Speaker 5: They're still at Pinneroo Park in numbers higher than what we've actually ever seen before. So when they moved on from Wallace, certainly not all of them, but some of them moved on to Pinneroo and they've been very persistent there since about, probably about mid-April. Councillor Wegener: So is this, if you move them, when they move, it just displaces, they go from there to someplace nearby to someplace nearby then? Speaker 5: Well, they can do. Certainly one of our strategies behind not necessarily wanting to do actions which completely move them from one location to another is the fact they'll just move into other unsuitable locations. Wallace Park has some advantages in that it's a very large site, so if there's 10,000 flying foxes there away from residents, it's not a massive impact.
02:16:00 Whereas at Pinneroo at the moment, it's dropped a little bit, but there's probably been as high as about 8,000. And flying foxes, so. And they're not little reds, so we don't know when they'll move. Speaker 8: And page 152. Councillor Wegener: The statistics for the 50 new land for wildlife properties is, which is an all-time record, congratulations. Speaker 5: Yeah, they're very impressive. And we've gone from about 300 to about 360 in 12 months. Wow, that's good. So it's been an outstanding effort by Dave Burrows, who is the land for wildlife team, so yeah, strong kudos to him. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Is there any internal dissension that's been made? Speaker 5: No, only a little bit. Right side and left side, perhaps. Councillor Wegener: And as you said, we have the environment levy where we want to go and purchase land, but it's a lot more efficient to, you get Dave Burrows out there and transfer it and transform it into land for wildlife.
02:17:00 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I think there's a statistic there that those 59 properties represents 275 hectares of land being managed for conservation purposes. For example, we, our purchase at Boring Point was, our purchase last year was 88 hectares. Now, it's a great property, it costs Council about a million dollars and we'll continue to have maintenance costs ongoing into the future. This alone has tripled that just through one officer on the ground working on a private property. So while it's true that fibre conservation doesn't quite provide that certainty, it still provides a pretty strong environmental outcome. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Yeah. And we were talking before about monitoring short stays. We're also monitoring our target of getting 50% of the conservation on a progressive basis. I believe I actually think at one point in time where we're at, we can do that as well. Speaker 5: It depends which point in time you're asking at, but yes, yes, we are monitoring that. Yes, so we'll be bringing the report up to Council in the medium term future with some data on that, so.
02:18:00 Deputy Mayor Stockwell: One of the environments trying to get it to report on an annual basis. Yeah, for an annual and I think we're up to the second, every two years we do some of that. Speaker 5: I think the implementation plan is reported annually and the targets are reported slightly less often. Yes. Speaker 8: Okay, moving on to page 153. Councillor Wegener: The launch of the new group in Cooroy. The current priorities. What new group is that for the new bush care group? Speaker 5: They're on this side of the railway. I don't think it's King Street. I haven't walked the site yet. They're on this side of the railway track opposite the primary school about a street back. I don't know the exact location. That would be the one, yeah. Great. Well, it's good. Cooroy's been a bit of a gap in our bush care network for a long time, so myself and the employer have now got no excuses not to get out and get involved with bush care on the weekend. Councillor Wegener: Cool. And will the bush care uniforms, will they go up for sale any place?
02:19:00 Speaker 5: It's not the intent, no. They've been provided to our active volunteers. So if you want one, Tom, put your hands to it. Councillor Finzel: Tom, you've got to volunteer. It's a good idea. Speaker 5: I will note on that that National Tree Day was unfortunately cancelled because the lockdown occurred the day before. So we're currently working through options around that. Given the fact that trees won't last that long, we'll probably organise to have them planted at that site either by staff or contractors and then develop another community planting over the coming months to get the community involved. Speaker 8: Okay. So we're going to move on. We're up to page 154. Councillor Wegener: Sorry. Again, I love this time because I get to talk to you guys, you know. You can talk to them as well. I do, but I feel like I'm wasting their time, but this is the time specifically for talking to them. The baseline koala survey for a Ural ringtail, I think that is enormously important that we are counting the koalas.
02:20:00 We have the technology that counts them because I would say every koala is worth X amount of dollars and dollars. You can't actually transfer a koala to a monetary value down the track. And if they're growing, well, then we have an asset that's growing if there's more of them in five years from now. So we need to know how many there are now so that we can pat ourselves on the back heartily in a few years when there's more of them. By the way, there's a koala in my tree. You know where I live. I found koalas dropping and scratches in the trees at my house, which is something I've never seen before. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: And then the next one on pest management. There's a few of those. Councillor Wegener: You're around the table here. Speaker 8: Okay. 154. Mayor Stewart: Yeah, I have a question. Oh, no, sorry. No. 155. That's my question. You don't have to ask me for them. Where are we? We're stuck. Speaker 5: There was a meeting with SARA, the State Assessment Referral Agency, on June 9, which provided some extra information for TNC to put forward.
02:21:00 There were no significant issues identified at that meeting that would have stopped getting the permits. All the submissions are now with the state. So all that extra information was provided. All the submissions are now with the state and we're expected to get a response in probably around about four to six weeks on those permits. Speaker 9: In terms of timing as well, under the contract, TNC matches the services required to give a full annual report and all their KPIs by the 30th of August. So that will come up to the next round of council meetings for a detailed review of all that we're interested in up to in the next month. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: And I noticed there is a, I actually saw it in the NRM jobs, there's a second project coordinator being appointed to try and accelerate this going forward. Is that true? That is correct, yes. Councillor Finzel: I've just got a question there. You've got relocate oyster shell curing site. Where are you moving that to? Speaker 5: Just to a different part of the landfill site.
02:22:00 There's where we originally put up the landfill site where we were told it was going to be fine for a few years. We've now been told they actually need to utilise that site. So we're just moving it to the other side of the landfill. Councillor Finzel: Okay, thank you. Speaker 8: Okay, page 155, page 6. 157. Councillor Wegener: You've got it. So Park Road, the work for Queensland, they'll be doing the Park Road area, it says here in the top. And that's going to be where they're going to pull out that path and rehabilitate that area there? Speaker 5: Not where the path is, no. I'll have to, I might have to take on notice to get an exact map of the location site. But it's, I can't provide that answer. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Are you doing that? It is, yeah, it won't be in the structure. Environmental weeds, getting, doing good productive stuff, not pulling stuff out. Speaker 5: It is, we don't have a lot of land there, but there's a small section of council land
02:23:00 that's in particularly poor condition. And not only would it be good to bring it up to speed, but it also provides a positive image to have council start working in a high visibility area like that. Speaker 8: Okay. 157, 158. Just a question. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: This plan 2020, progress housing needs assessment, why the housing project, have we got an envisaged time frame where that sort of review and the sort of the motion we had last month, have we sort of, have you spotted where that's likely to come back to cancer? Speaker 1: The answer is yes, we've, we've met as an internal team and mapped out what we think we can achieve and come back to. But if I can take that on notice and, and actually update all councils on timelines, I'll take that one as well. Councillor Wegener: And then we talked with the climate change response plan, we talked about the detailed implementation plan that's next quarter.
02:24:00 Speaker 8: Yeah. That's what I was telling you earlier. Yeah. Okay, page 159, 160. Councillor Wegener: The economic strategy, will we be doing the economic strategy at the same time as the climate change adaptation plan? Implementation plan, implementation plan. Speaker 1: Through you Chair, the timing will be similar, I expect the economic strategy will be a month earlier, so we're aiming for October for the strategy. We've got the discussion paper out at the moment, really it's a directional document, I don't think there's really too many surprises apart from probably, I think, really clarifying the direction. That then our implementation plans will fall under, so in answer to your question, Tom, probably October for, for economic strategy, and I believe we were targeting November for the, the implementation plan for the climate change response plan.
02:25:00 Councillor Wegener: So, Brett, this, from my understanding now, this is the time, if you want to get the stuff, you know, funded for the future, if you want to make change, this is the area, this is the, the focus where, where the councillors really get down and dirty, is that right? I'm still kind of turned. You may not down and dirty. Speaker 9: Look, yeah, in a nutshell, our strategies, whether it's the social strategy, the economic plan, environment strategy, whatever, set the, set the overall direction, which is council's role to set that policy and set that approach. I, those, generally high level policies, and often the, where the rubber hits the road in terms of budget projects and things like that is the level below it, what's the action plan that fits underneath it, and climate change is a good example of that. So, similar thing with the local economic plan, that'll be at a high level, you know, here is the five or six priority areas we're going to focus on, what are we going to really emphasise, and then at the level below that is, what are the projects we're going to do to be able to deliver that, that vision?
02:26:00 And that project level generally gets pumped into the, the budget process to say, well, in year one, we'll, we'll fund these three projects, or whatever it might be, so that's often the way that it works. Councillor Wegener: So, it sounds to me like a little bit of a domino effect, you have to have, the domino's in a line, if you knock the first one over, it'll knock the next one in. Speaker 9: Yeah, you've got to have the right strategy in place, and then the question is how you implement that strategy, and what resources do you apply to it, okay? Councillor Finzel: Yeah, just a question, where are we, are we on track with the implementation of the USC memorandum of understanding, where are we up to with that? Speaker 9: You might recall that you and I had a meeting scheduled for last week, which was postponed because of COVID, and we had that rescheduled for about two or three weeks to get down and meet them for the first time, and start that relationship. Councillor Finzel: Yeah, and what documentation do we need for that? Like, are we presenting a paper, or how's that working? Speaker 9: Well, the first meeting is really to talk to them about what they want to get out of the relationship, and what we do as well, and then we go through, okay, let's start the working process about how we identify projects, whether it's research, taking on students, on experience, those sorts of things.
02:27:00 Councillor Finzel: Yeah, okay. And is Caroline putting that document together? Speaker 1: Through you, Chair, yeah, so Caroline is coordinating across council areas, project areas, for ideas to engage with USC and collaborate, yeah, so. Yeah. And she's pulling that together? Speaker 8: Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Page 160. 161. 162. 163. Well, good. Would someone like to move the recommendation? So moved by Councillor Wegener, seconded by Councillor Stewart. All in favour? Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Carrying it out, please. Speaker 8: And we then move on to, there we go, confidential session. Thank you. Deputy Mayor Stockwell: Thank you. All right.